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DF Spoilers / Re: "That Stunt with Mab"
« on: June 04, 2020, 05:04:22 PM »
Because I mean, Nic got what he wanted, no one on Harry's crew managed to die. That's...basically it.

  I don't think he did.  He may have claimed he wanted the Grail, but in my opinion his real aim was the Spear.  If Michael is right, and he usually is about these things, under the heading of "be careful
for what you ask for you may get it,"  Nic getting the Grail may backfire on him.   In other words the Grail may lead to his redemption, not a bad thing but not what he was after at all.

DF Spoilers / Re: Power Creep
« on: June 04, 2020, 02:46:00 PM »

There's even a WOJ that he wasn't bluffing.

That doesn't mean there aren't risks or consequences for him if he actually uses that easy way to wreck a blampire, though. It may risk him going dark, for one thing.

  It wasn't a bluff, he has read the book, Sue was proof of that.

DF Spoilers / Re: "That Stunt with Mab"
« on: June 04, 2020, 01:36:41 PM »
If by con, you mean that Nic got the grail but Harry got the other pieces of the Holy set?

  Yeah, but what I am wondering is does Mab even know that Harry retrieved the Spear, etc.?
  Or she does know in her usual four dimensional chess way, saying eventually when Harry does
bring them out, that that was her plan all along?

DF Spoilers / Re: The Fates and the Norns and scissors
« on: June 03, 2020, 11:24:22 AM »
Didn't Mother Winter have her scissors/shears/whatever, in the scene where Harry got the Unraveling?


DF Spoilers / Re: Small Favour reread question.
« on: June 03, 2020, 11:20:33 AM »
So rereading Small Favour Chapter 3 " a leather pouch made from the genital sac of i kid you not an actual African lion. It was a gift. Don't ask."

Where did that come from?

   Some poor lion somewhere is walking around without a pair.... ::)

DF Spoilers / Re: The Fates and the Norns and scissors
« on: June 02, 2020, 11:30:18 PM »
Yes, I get that.  Thus scissors. However I am minded of Changes when Eb uses the Black Staff to kill the ?guards? that it was a lot like cutting the strings of a puppets.  They just died.  On the other hand dropping space debris on Ortega is more old school like shooting someone with a gun. Just, well, with bigger bullets.  Maybe the shears have a disguise, like Rashid's eye.

   I doubt that Eb used the Black Staff to drag that satellite Ortega's head,  this is the guy who had something to do with Krakatoa blowing up.. But then again, maybe he use it for that too? ::)

DF Spoilers / Re: New Wag
« on: June 02, 2020, 11:04:08 PM »

   No one snatched Harry at six.  Wasn't he in a state run orphanage for the next five years or so? I think Lea visited from time to time, but she didn't influence him. I don't think even she planned for Justin to grab him at twelve.  Six is the perfect age for brain washing and molding of young forming minds, yet it didn't happen.  Was everyone hedging their bets until his talent started to manifest itself?  Or they were all clueless as to what Harry was? Perhaps Justin wasn't looking for star born kids when he adopted Harry and Elaine, but merely wanted talented unattached that he could train up as enforcers with no questions asked?  Which begs thequestion, enforcers for what? :o

In terms of sides there is Harry and the A team.  Two skulls and a crusty prison guard.  Toot Toot and the Guard.  The Tooth Fairy. A newly minted Knight with bad vision.  A white vamp and proto father.  Three werewolves and a Temple Dog. Two on the injured reserve, an ex cop with a bad knee and a former Knight with a most perfect safe house.
Not that significant, good in small fights, but no political pull..

Team Winter.

Significant, but not clear who is teaming up with them aside from wizard or two..
Uriel, Mab, and Vadderung.  With Hades as a banker. The god squad, kinda.

Not clear because they keep their cards close to their vests...  Now against Reds with the exception of Hades[unknown as a player at the time] they were on team Harry..
Nemesis and whatever "it" is supposed to represent.

Indeed, and since almost anybody can be vulnerable to infiltration by  it, it is unclear who's side who is on, or who the sides are.

The Circle, some bitchin bad guys maybe based in Egypt.
Totally fuzzy at this point, only guy who might be a member is Cowl. 
Oh, and the Senior Council, which has one foot on a banana peel and the other over the abyss.
Back to my original premise, I doubt it is clear as to what side everyone is on or even what the sides are
Comic relief, the Formor.  Who may or may not be due an upgrade.

Agreed, they are at best a distraction, but do not underestimate a group that kidnaps children at
the rate that they do.  Unless they enjoy them roasted over a slow fire, just what are they planning to do with all of them.

DF Spoilers / Re: The Fates and the Norns and scissors
« on: June 02, 2020, 07:46:20 PM »
Ok, this is basically just a couple of questions. Evidently since Harry called Mother Winter by Atropos and Skuld he seems to think she is one of the Fates and one of the Norn.  Atropos had a set of shears that cut the sting of, well we'll call it life.  Are these shears the Black Staff?

And if Mother Winter is one of the Fates, is Mother Summer one of the other ones? And if she is, who is the third Fate.  Is Mab one?

Bonus point.  Evidently one of the Fates went all murderous and got themselves a Titan.  How weird is that?

If they are like the classic Greek Myth, they are like sheep shears.

DF Spoilers / Re: Power Creep
« on: May 31, 2020, 04:53:46 PM »
He smashed them down in Cold Days. Because his power was not his magic, but his mind.

So suggests to me his key powerup will be knowledge, as Odin alluded to.

  Of course, that too.

DF Spoilers / Re: New Wag
« on: May 31, 2020, 01:17:08 PM »
I don't think we know.

I suspect there was some sort of "proto-grey-council" with Morgan and Luccio and maybe others; or maybe Luccio knew of it, but wasn't on it (I got the vague sense that Morgan was explaining to the "we" to Luccio, as if she weren't part of it).

Maybe call it the "pale grey council" or something... closer to the White Council, but still operating a bit in the shadows.

  I think it will be a while because at the moment I doubt it is clear as to what side everyone is on or even what the sides are.   

DF Spoilers / Re: Power Creep
« on: May 31, 2020, 01:12:02 PM »

  If course Harry is getting more powerful, he is the star child, by the BAT he has to be a real bad ass otherwise he won't have a chance against the Outsiders.

DF Spoilers / Re: New Wag
« on: May 31, 2020, 02:05:07 AM »
As to why Malcom chose to keep hiding, and didn't tell Harry about Eb -- I might suspect that Margaret's death appeared to him more as "wizard" action than Whamp.  So Malcom was suspicious about the White Council, and didn't want to expose his son.  Six years old is just too young to begin explaining how your grandpa may have murdered your mommy... or just didn't keep the secret well enough and his friends murdered your mommy...

Ever try to explain anything to a six year old?  Especially supernatural politics.  It also follows if Malcolm was just an ordinary good man as Eb described him, he'd have known two things once Margaret was murdered, 1] he was in way over his head,  had been from the moment he agreed to father a star child, if he even understood what that was exactly. 2] Someone wanted his son very badly and the best way to keep him safe is to stay on the road and trust no one... He was wrong about the last.


If she chose Malcolm she chose poorly.  Her choice of Morgan was only marginally better.  Also, any ideas of who the we is in the Morgan microfiction.

It depends on what you value and what qualities you think are needed.  What is most often said about Malcolm?  A good soul, a man with a good heart.. What is often said about Harry and quite often carries him through and makes him so valued by his friends?  His good heart, which he is repeatedly told he inherited from his father. 
  From then on, we could not be sure that the child was not molded to be a creature of Nemesis

No, but then Morgan and whoever didn't know Malcolm, nor know his soul..  Harry is his son, inheriting both his good heart and more than likely his stubborn will.. Nemesis would never be successful in molding a child like that.. This Margaret knew, that is why with Malcolm she conceived a star child.

DF Spoilers / Re: New Wag
« on: May 30, 2020, 05:25:55 PM »
Cram as much meaning as you wish in those two sentences.  They do not say that he soul gazed Malcolm.  They can be read multiple ways.  Your interpretation is only one.  It may be the right one, but WAG's are built on the other interpretations.  :)

Soul gazes are presented as something more intimate than sex.  I would need to have a premise that justified Malcolm letting a stranger impose that intimacy upon him.

Eb wouldn't have been a stranger, this was the father of the woman Malcolm loved.  Not some stranger that came in from the street getting randomly soul gazed.  This is a man his daughter loved, who apparently left Lord Raith for and all the risks that entails, it is only natural he'd want to know just who this guy is. And what is the best way for that?  Drum roll please, the soul gaze.  There is as much justification for my wag as yours...

Eb met Malcolm at that same meeting.  The meeting was about producing a child as a Starborn.  Malcolm is a scion of an angel.  Eb objects but Margaret says to hell with it since she is under the influence  of Raith and has the baby anyway and falls for Malcolm releasing her from Raith's control.  True love.  Possibly Malcolm was himself controlled by Raith. 
Where exactly is your justification from the text for that again?  Where is it written that Malcolm was even at this meeting?   Or that Malcolm is the scion of an angel?  Eb says Malcolm was just an ordinary vanilla human, nothing special about save his goodness.  Or where is your text evidence even remote evidence that Malcolm was possibly controlled by Raith?

DF Spoilers / Re: New Wag
« on: May 30, 2020, 04:05:41 AM »
I have no idea what Eb did or didn't do.  I know the text.  But it means nothing without the underlying context.

  Read the chapter in Blood Rites where  Harry demands answers from Eb for your context.  Eb says of Malcolm's soul," like few I've ever seen."   You think he is lying?  You say you know the text, then you have read the chapter..  If you have read the series, then you know a little about how a soul gaze works.  Eb is either lying to Harry or at some point he soul gazed Malcolm to form the opinion that he his soul was good, like few he'd ever seen..  Note, Eb doesn't say that Malcolm was one of the best men he has ever seen, or that he was a good man, no, he says ,"But a man with a good soul, like few I've ever seen"

DF Spoilers / Re: New Wag
« on: May 29, 2020, 09:20:48 PM »
Exactly when and where did Malcolm get soul gazed by Eb?  Graveside?

So you think that Eb never met Malcolm?  In Blood Rites

Eb tells Harry  page 299 paperback

"She met your father.  A man.  A mortal, without power, without influence, without resources. But a man with a good soul, like few I've ever seen,I believe she fell in love with him.

So evidently Eb did meet Malcolm, and since he talks about what Malcolm's soul looks like compared to others he has seen.. That sounds like a soul gaze to me, which makes sense that Eb might want to know why his daughter is so interested in this seemingly ordinary guy.

I don't know that the stars had anything to do with it.

Metaphorically speaking, but astrological as well, as Lash tells Harry page 363 White Night hardback
"There was a complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstances that would have given a child born under them the potential to wield power over Outsiders."

If Lash knew what they were, apparently Margaret did as well.  After she met Malcolm, no doubt she felt he was exactly the guy to father such a child.  I am willing also to bet she payed close attention to her cycle, knew when she would be the most fertile.  With help from the Winter Court, and who knows, Listens to Wind, she could tweak her moment of conception... Heck since it appears that Malcolm cooperated in this, Harry could have been conceived in a test tube to make sure the timing was just right.   
He died in his sleep one night. An aneurism, the doctors said. I found him, cold, smiling.

I know, however that still doesn't mean it was easy to set things up to kill him does it?

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