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DF Spoilers / Re: Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
« on: Yesterday at 06:38:57 PM »
My theory on Rashid is that because of his advanced foresight he will sometimes vote against Harry’s apparent interests to secure in the long-term what is in Harry’s best interests.

He may have therefore voted with the Merlin’s Block to create a Starborn Wizard, but then surprised the Merlin by voting against Harry’s execution. His long term aim to end up with the Harry we know to challenge the Merlin.

He may have deliberately NOT attended the meeting on Harry’s expulsion  so as to facilitate it,

All possible, but I think it was pretty clear that Rashid had his hands full at the Gates.  Remember what Rashid told Harry in Turn Coat, that the time hadn't come yet for him tom challenge the Council, meaning not that he is discounting Harry's challenge at Molly's trial, but something bigger to come.. I hope Jim remembers too.. ::)

DF Spoilers / Re: Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
« on: Yesterday at 04:03:34 PM »
I am very curious to hear from Rashid after Harry’s expulsion from the White Council.  Would he have been involved in the “emergency Senior Council” meeting?  Or was that only The Merlin, Mai, Christos, and Martha Liberty?  He had offered to get Harry “reinstated” after his recesitation from his coma.  He told Harry at the Outer Gates to “if you want to help me keep doing what you are doing”.  I’m very interested in what Rashid will have to say about all of this.  Including what the “Stars and Stones” actually are.

Rashid was very busy at the Outer Gates, I'd say the crisis there hadn't passed.  I don't think Rashid would have voted for Harry to be removed, I think he knows a lot more than he is letting on and as we saw in Summer Knight has his own tests for Harry.

Interesting don't you think the only Senior Council Members voting were ones i.e. the Merlin who actually ended up on the short end of a political clash with Harry.  The others were at the battle for Chicago, and at least one of them was disturbed by the fact that Harry had his own loyal private army, even if they were only six inches tall give or take.  They were effective against the flying squid things where these powerful senior wizards were not.  I think that scared the hell out of them.

DF Spoilers / Re: Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
« on: Yesterday at 05:42:00 AM »
I suspect it was already a set up.

I'm not sure whose set up it was; I suspect Mab, tho -- Lea's boss -- having Lea get Harry motivated to go to Bianca's party.  I remain convinced that Mab was deeply interested in recruiting a Starborn -- Harry -- as her next WK.  So Mab was both testing his mettle, and tempering him in the crucible of violence & confusion.

  I doubt it was Mab.  Remember Harry's total fear of Lea at that point? He was afraid she was going to turn him into a hound.  That's why he tried to kill her with Michael's Sword, which it wouldn't let him do.  It fell out of his hands and she picked it up and took off with it, remember? At the party Lea gave Bianca the Sword, and Bianca gifted Lea with the Knife that Cowl had presented to her.. Or someone fitting Cowl's description. The Knife that turned out to be infected with Nemesis.  Which in turn infected Lea, infected Maeve and led to her death, and may have tried to infect Mab until she figured out what was going on.. No, it wasn't Mab that set up Harry.

Here is my theory, I have posted it before.  When we first meet Lea, she appeared to me to be a bit power hungry.  When she got hold of the Sword, she made a bargain with Bianca, the Holy Sword, for the Knife.  She thought that the Knife would help her overthrow Mab.  I don't think Lea had any idea that the Knife was infected, but I do believe that Bianca knew.  Not sure how she knew of the Knife, but Cowl seemed to be merely the delivery man in this case.  Also remember Harry telling Morgan in Dead Beat I believe, that the Red Court were mere cat's paws of a more powerful group. That will be who Cowl works for, though we don't know who that is yet.  Bianca, as arrogant as she was and ambitious as she was, wouldn't have realized that she was being used, nor frankly did Lea.

The plan was to take out the Winter Court by stealth with the infected knife, while occupying the Red Court and the White Council with fighting a war.  The guard at the Outer Gates would perhaps be down and the Outsiders could attack.  Not unlike during the battle for Chicago, the Outer Gates were attacked.  Hmmmm, looks like the Fomor and even Ethniu herself were only cat's paws in the end to distract with that huge battle. Thank goodness for Rashid, who kept to his post.

DF Spoilers / Re: Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
« on: February 03, 2023, 09:48:49 PM »
Thing is... they were actually already planning to go to war, they just had planned another decade or two of prep-work before striking; their war-effort was unready, their early strikes less devastating than planned.  So (as he so often does) Harry's propensity for violence + investigation led him to act in ways too provocative for the Ramps to ignore, and they moved early.

  That's a bit more complicated though.. Bianca invited Harry to her party.. He wasn't going to go, then Susan stole the invitation and he screwed up and lost Michael's Sword to Lea.  He and Michael had to go to the party, from that moment on it was a set up,if not before. Remember Mavra had a little something to do with Harry, Michael, and Susan not leaving the shindig. When Harry went to rescue Susan and Justine, Ortega just happened to be there to blame it all on him and declare war.. If anyone was the blame it would be Bianca, who wanted revenge on Harry because she blamed him for her losing control and killing her beloved secretary. Shiro did tell later that Bianca miscalculated,  because her actions forced the Red Court into war before they were ready.

DF Spoilers / Re: I think Morty is the true necromancer
« on: February 03, 2023, 09:34:46 PM »
It's a somewhat fuzzy line. Turning Corpsetaker's 'pit full of wraiths' against her certainly could be said to have used them, but they presumably already didn't like being enslaved by her, so wasn't forcing them to obey his will over their own.

Yeah, that's part of the reason many of them became wraiths to begin with, they didn't like how they died.  Most of them died because the Corpsetaker took their bodies and left their soul or essence out to die. So you might characterize then as pissed off wraiths looking for revenge..
Or Bianca's "beloved" secretary, she knew perfectly well who fed upon her until she was dead... No amount of peeing up her back by Bianca was going to convince her it was rain or Harry's fault that she died.

DF Spoilers / Re: Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
« on: February 03, 2023, 03:27:53 PM »
I don't know how much she is trying to change him. He's a powerful agent without the mantle. With the mantle, he's likely far more powerful than most past Winter Knights. But that will and power...he's not an iron hand in a velvet glove, he's an iron hand in a spiked cestus. He is going to piss off Summer - getting the Lady killed will do that. He will piss off some other powers - like the Red court. Remember them? He causes trouble. But Mab will take the trouble to have his abilities.

I wouldn't say he causes trouble in the cases you sighted.. In the case of Aurora, she was infected and started a war between Summer and Winter, yeah, getting her killed pissed off her mother, but she knew it had to be done.  What pissed her of is how it was done, the little folk using steel box cutters.  He didn't make the trouble with the Red Court they have been trouble for a millennia, but he finished it.

DF Spoilers / Re: I think Morty is the true necromancer
« on: February 03, 2023, 03:22:58 PM »
I don't even think he always USES them. He talks to them. He might lead them to something that might inspire them... like the shades at Bianca's.... Harry did not use them against Bianca... he showed them a way that they could take their revenge. Mort shows spirits Corpsetaker is over there... they choose to attack her.

 Actually in the case of Bianca, it was a bit complicated, her actions along with Kavros weakened the boarder between the living and the dead.  Harry said if she hadn't done that he wouldn't have been able to do anything.  He called all the victims of her and the Red Court to remember, the spirits rose up and chose to take revenge.

DF Spoilers / Re: I think Morty is the true necromancer
« on: February 02, 2023, 06:41:24 PM »
I'm not sure Mortimer's "ectomancy" has the full scope of what the White Council calls "necromancy."

We've never seen Morty do anything that hints at zombies or corpses, that I recall:  soulless bodies energized by necromantic energy.  Nor embodying ancient beings with ectoplasm from the nevernever (as Harry did with Sue).  Mortimer seems to deal entirely & exclusively with the spirits of departed humans.

Maybe he could do these other "necromantic" things, but won't (because it violates his own ethics, or because it would get him a Warden-visit of the sharper-edged variety, or some mix of each); we don't know.  Maybe even Morty himself doesn't know, because he hasn't tried.

I agree, I don't think he is either, the only true necromancer talked often about is Kemmler, and no detail is offered about his crimes.  Now if the White Council wanted to trump up charges against him to nail him, I guess they could come up with technicalities like they just did with Harry.

DF Spoilers / Re: Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
« on: February 01, 2023, 03:46:39 AM »
"Gently" as in:  how a master-smith makes a damascene'd blade.
It involves intense fire, and a hammer; but it needs the right materials and must be done carefully... gently.

Yes, and many layers of the right combo of metals, percentage of carbon, intense heat, yes, but too hot or too cold and the sword will not quench properly, it can become brittle and break or never harden and sharpen properly... There are many layers to Harry, he is a complex man, he is in the fire being brought up to temperature, but yet to be quenched...  Will he become a strong sharp blade? Or will he be warped by the process or turn out brittle and break in the final test?

DF Spoilers / Re: Dating etiquette for vampires
« on: February 01, 2023, 03:35:53 AM »
Lara would hope Harry brought Carlos, incapable of getting a date on his own.

 In a "to go" bag... ::)

DF Spoilers / Re: Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
« on: January 31, 2023, 09:23:50 PM »
The will and defiance are tied to the consciene and compassion.  You don’t get the former without the latter.  Surely Mab is bright enough to realize that basic fact?

  She is, but the last person she'd admit it to is Harry.  But she shows it in small ways, like little Maggie's Christmas gift, because she also knows that Harry would never accept the fact that she realizes it.

DF Spoilers / Re: Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
« on: January 31, 2023, 06:51:01 PM »
It’s good cop bad cop with Molly and Harry. Molly is the perfect subject and Winter Lady, and Harry consistently, persistently continues to be Harry, a terrible subject but a wonderful Winter Knight. Molly mollifies Mab, Harry harries Mab. Both force change on her at a time when she needs to change. Their predecessors bad as they were merely helped reinforce Mab’s existing status quo. When Mab hired Harry back in Summer Knight did she expect this? Be careful for you wish for Mab.

Yeah, I think Mab is well aware of this, that is why she is pleased when Harry stands up to her, even if it does piss her off a bit.  I think Heaven is aware of it also, that is why I think Uriel helped maneuver Harry into the job and do what needed to be done to keep him in it.  I think Uriel had a little something to do with that bullet that Kincaid shot.  While it did hit Harry's heart, it was off just enough for Harry to survive falling into the cold water and Mab's waiting arms... Then the soul walk about, and last but not least his seven little words that made Harry realize he was still basically his own  man..

DF Spoilers / Re: Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
« on: January 31, 2023, 02:37:04 PM »
As I said, Harry is changing Mab and her Mantle, or at least unlocking new potential far more than she or his Mantle is changing Harry. Again look at the interplay between Mab and Molly in the Good People, Molly is forcing something new on Mab and neither Mantle is stopping it, and that makes Mab uncomfortable. Has she been wrong for over a millenia?

  I don't think she has been wrong per say, she has managed to keep this world safe.  However the world has changed over the millenia, so tactics have to change as well.  Mab was human once, but most of that humanity has left her, she is 99.99% Fae now, so she lacks understanding.  I actually think Molly will help her more in this than Harry because she is less confrontational than Harry is.

DF Spoilers / Re: Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
« on: January 31, 2023, 04:58:11 AM »
I don't think she does want him to succumb. She wants him to fight it, and in doing so become a colder, more ruthless version of himself. Keep the will and defiance (because those are useful) and get rid of those silly useless things like Conscience and Compassion that reduce his effectiveness.

 I disagree, her coldness and hardness are needed, however while she may not admit it to him, she also needs his conscience and compassion to unite for the final BAT.  That is why she backed him at the meeting of the Accords after the battle for Chicago.  Harry was the only one who could get those concessions, she wouldn't know how, but she is astute enough to know they were needed.

DF Spoilers / Re: Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
« on: January 30, 2023, 10:31:02 PM »

  I think it is more that gets the results that she, herself wants but is unable to order because of who she is.  Slate would follow orders until he betrayed her, but the results of his following orders were not good.

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