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DF Spoilers / Re: Two plus two is Starborn
« on: June 16, 2025, 12:09:22 PM »
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There is a fantheory of the "Starborn gone bad" being the "Destroyer" mentioned in the Morgan short,  Journal.  Also, the retrospective scenes with HWWBehind was to some degree testing/training Harry.

It's possible they were trying to recruit Harry, not kill him.

And maybe there's division among the ranks of the Outsiders -- some hoping to recruit him, some to destroy him.

I think there is a lot of truth in all of this.  There are a lot of assumptions of many what a star born is, Drakul and Listens seem to fit that mold, Harry doesn't.  Margaret was a very clever woman, she realized that because of his protection that she couldn't kill Lord Raith with her death curse, but she discovered a significant weakness that would render him pretty impotent, starvation.  Likewise I believe based on what Lash told Harry, she knew that it would take another star born to battle the Enemy in the BAT, but it wasn't until she met Malcolm and fell in love with him that she decided to conceive one.  Like preventing Lord Raith the ability to feed was the key to her curse, conceiving a star child with Malcolm's "good heart" or nature is key to defeating the Enemy.  It's this basic trait in his personality that pulls Harry up short when he strays too far to the dark side or into normal star born behavior..  At this time however neither side really understands this, they just make assumptions that Harry is, ergo this is how he is..

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 16, 2025, 11:52:11 AM »
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I agree with Raith trying to kill Thomas indirectly but I am not sure Raith knows that Margaret fueled the spell with her blood lineage. Otherwise I think he would have killed Thomas. I do not know if he knew Margaret had another son.

I agree, I don't think Raith knows how Margaret fueled her death curse.  If it were as simple as her bloodline, then it makes no sense not to just kill Thomas.. If Raith can still breed, he could still get a male heir..  I also doubt that he hadn't kept track of Margaret's younger child, and one wonders why he didn't arrange for young Harry's death at some point as well. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 15, 2025, 04:15:27 PM »
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The way i see it is that the white courts way of killing opponents is to do it in a way that everyone knows its probably you but have no way of proving its you. Sort of like the coups and wars from the cold war. Everyone knew who was backing who but everyone pretended otherwise.
Killing Thomas openly would lose Papa Raith face. Its saying that Thomas was strong enough to make him show his hand which is bad for his image.

Who says it has to be openly?  He could have just killed Thomas like he did his brothers, he didn't lose any face over that.  Thomas was just a little more clever than his brothers and avoided it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Two plus two is Starborn
« on: June 15, 2025, 11:58:54 AM »
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Third, Lara is more likely than Justine to be examined by beings capable of detecting Nemesis and Nemesis wants to remain hidden.

I think there is a lot of truth in that.  However not so much because she is high profile but because she generally acts very sane and predictable..  Nemesis has infested other high profile people, Aurora, Maeve, Lea, but went undetected for quite some time.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 15, 2025, 11:53:39 AM »
Quote from: apgrey on June 14, 2025, 10:03:04 PM
Ref:  https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,50842.msg2302007.html#msg2302007

  A while ago I posted in another thread that Lord Raith did not know Harry and Thomas were brothers before Blood Rites.

  So, it might be he knew about the curse, but was told that only killing Thomas would not be enough to end it.  That might be why he delayed killing Thomas.  Also, some of the things Lord Raith forced Thomas to do looked like he was trying to get Thomas killed in a way that he would not be blamed for.

APG

I kind of remember that also from the book, however I find it odd that he wasn't aware that Margaret was about to give birth or had just given birth when he killed her.  Also it is strange that he wouldn't have kept track of that baby for fear of revenge someday.  Also since he managed to murder the male siblings of Thomas and it seems no secret that he did, why would Raith worry if he got blamed or not?  After all if he got his power to feed back it would all have been worth it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 14, 2025, 09:32:42 PM »
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Harry&co's recent discovery/hypothesis, that there's an actual angel inside each Sword of the Cross, is foreshadowed by there being a Fallen inside each Blackened Denarius; that's like... a 10-book(?) payoff from 1st-hint to Grand Reveal.

I think the idea that there is a Fallen Angel trapped inside each Blackened Denarius was pretty well established by the end of Death Masks, which is what? Book five?

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 13, 2025, 12:29:52 PM »
Quote from: g33k on June 13, 2025, 02:39:47 AM
I'd need to re-read that whole scene.
It may have been quite a while before he "learned" about this; and it may only have been a "potential" method that "might" work, but I think he was pretty desperate, and would take even a long-shot chance.

But also:  Raith Père was working with Outsider magic.  So this may have been information fed to him by them, with dubious correctness.

I have to reread the scene as well.  Actually the whole book because I imagine there are a lot of clues as to what is going on now in it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 13, 2025, 01:11:36 AM »
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IIRC, Papa thought that sacrificing Harry and/or Thomas was the way to escape Margaret's curse.

 If Papa Raith thought it would work, he could have sacrificed one of them at any time, especially Thomas.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things--Three?
« on: June 12, 2025, 07:12:43 PM »
Quote from: EBRIEN on June 12, 2025, 02:34:44 PM
When Harry wasn't quite dead...Would Papa Wraith have been able to feed? Or feel twinges of his former self?

Can you imagine? He's like...Ummm...that's a familiar feeling...Could it be? Maybe? .....crap. Nope.

Since it was Margaret's death curse that caused Papa Raith not to feed, I don't think it makes any difference whether Harry is alive or dead or only mostly dead, Papa Raith won't be able to feed.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Two plus two is Starborn
« on: June 10, 2025, 12:05:26 PM »
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We know the infection happened about the time that Justine started working for Lara. Therefore, sometime after Blood Rites. We know from the Marcone story that Justine was sent as Mab's envoy to other accorded nations. She could have been infected on one of these trips away from the White Court or, as suggested, by Nemesis influence in the White Court seeking a closer connection to the queen.


Do we?  The assumption is that Thomas stopped short of killing Justine when he fed upon her to save his life in Blood Rites because of his true love...  There is a couple of things wrong with that, the first being "true love."  Did it become that after Thomas nearly killed her? Or did he stop because he truly loved her?  Either way, how come neither suffered from third degree burns or any burns at all?  Justine just ended up with white hair.. The other is Thomas was under the impression that he had indeed killed Justine.. Only later if I remember correctly did he find out that he hadn't..  So if Thomas stopped feeding to save Justine at the risk of his own, it wasn't a decision he was aware of.. So he involuntarily stopped feeding while he was out of it because he loved her?  Wow, Justine survives, she becomes Lara's secretary, deeply embedded in White Court affairs and much closer to the star born Harry Dresden because of Thomas.. Just a wee bit pat, don't you think? 

As for Lara not being infected, who knows?  I mean until the victim of the infection starts to act totally out of character, there are no real symptoms.. Lea went along for a while undetected until she actually told Mab herself.  Mab didn't realize that Maeve was infected until it was too late to save her.. Nobody realized that Aurora was infected until she started a war with Winter.. Harry had no clue that Cat Sith was infected until he started acting crazy, and none at all that Justine was until it almost ended in disaster..  So is Lara infected, I doubt it, but at the same time it is hard to tell whether she is or not..

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: June 09, 2025, 05:04:42 PM »
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I would contend that Lara sees Harry as a trusted enemy not ally. Someone you know can turn on you, but you also can trust them to act a certain way. In Harry's case, he is a know white knight that has a strong moral compass. Lara knows what strings she can pull to get a certain response out of Harry. It will be interesting to see how this might change in Twelve Months.

 It isn't about Lara or Thomas trusting Harry, they can.. It's about Harry trusting them.  It isn't a matter of morality either, back to the pet tiger analogy, as much as you love it and believe you can trust it, if it is hungry enough, it's natural instinct wins, and it could eat you.  Vampires do what vampires do, that is what Eb is telling Harry.  Now whether this is from Eb's own personal trauma, as in one killing his wife, or from the general experience and knowledge of his 200 plus years we haven't been told yet.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: June 09, 2025, 12:42:48 PM »
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Thomas still sees Harry as a trusted ally, still loves Harry (and Justine).

  The same in many ways could be said for Lara, however she remains a dangerous vampire with the values that go with it.
   More clearly Thomas is now like having a pet tiger in your house.  No, I am not saying that Thomas is in any way a pet.  What I am saying is that pet tiger might trust that you will feed him and care for him, he might even show affection for you.. However that tiger is still a tiger and has reverted back to what nature intended, and you can't trust that he won't turn and eat you some day.  I believe that is what Eb is trying to tell Harry.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: June 08, 2025, 07:11:46 PM »
Quote from: Dina on June 08, 2025, 06:51:23 PM
I hope your cat is doing well  :)

I think the Hunger won but it could be reverted. But he needs the chance to try, and things are more than complicated now.

 Oh Mindy Mouser is doing very well!  I have a touch screen and she likes to get between it and the key board purring madly fro attention, then because she touches the screen it goes crazy. 

Yes, things are a lot more complicated for Thomas now.. Hopefully it will be a happy ending for Justine, Thomas, and baby..If there really is one.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Thomas
« on: June 08, 2025, 12:06:09 PM »
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That's Thomas' reality, as a predator.  It feels good.  And he needs to be able to handle that.

That's the point though, remember the mirror image in the soul gaze?  Sorry my cat is helping me type.. 

She is now out chasing butterflies.  Anyway, in the soul gaze we saw the struggle between the human Thomas and the Hunger.
With the Skin Walker's help, the Hunger has won.  No, it isn't like our breathing.. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ghost Story--two things
« on: June 08, 2025, 12:03:35 PM »
Quote from: g33k on June 08, 2025, 04:02:57 AM
GS took me a while to come to grips with it, but I did so by about 1/3 - 1/2 way through, and enjoyed the rest (and all of each re-read) very much.

I think Winter is very physical, very embodied, very animal.
Winter has very little traction with a ghost/soul.
The human soul is out of Mab's jurisdiction, free will win the day..   

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