He was youthfully scrawny, his skin bronze enough to look Native American, though his tangled red hair and pug nose argued otherwise. His eyes were an odd shade of brown, so light as to be nearly golden.
I broke out into a cold sweat and looked out the other window.
Directly into a pair of brilliant, feral, amber eyes.
...
"I am Harley MacFinn's fiance. Miss West," she said. "I am called Tera."
Tera West was there, [/snip]
She was naked, her body a uniform shade of brown
"And dogs." Sir Stuart added. "Maybe one in ten of them seem to have a talent for sensing us. Probably why they are always barking."
“I seem to remember at a Q&A a few years ago, you said Tera West would be showing up in Book 13 aka Ghost Story. Is this still happening, or has her character been shuffled down the line a bit due to the change in total number of case file books?”
My first answer is “bump her down a couple.” But on the other hand, it might be interesting to see her again in this book.
We’ll see what happens. :)
*happy dance*
My Fitz-post was my first one on these forums! (I think I was the first person to point out his possible name significance? I didn't see earlier ones when I posted.)
Thank you for asking Jim about it, Serack. :)
Fitz, the bastard. :D
The Summer Knight is Fix.
A possible tell-tale for future revelations concerning new character Fitz...his name.
From Webster's Online Dictionary (Uh...Google it to verify, I'm a nub at making links. Oh, emphasis mine.):
Fitz (n.): 1. A son; -- used in compound names, to indicate paternity, esp. of the illegitimate sons of kings and princes of the blood; as, Fitzroy, the son of the king; Fitzclarence, the son of the duke of Clarence.
(The duke of Clarence during the Regency period of England [early 1800s] had 10 illegitimate children, collectively known at the time as "the Fitzclarences." Also, the duke of Clarence was a royal duke--one of the younger sons of George III--not merely one of the high nobility.)
Now, the royal bloodline may or may not be implied here for SotC purposes, but the name itself directly calls attention to paternity, and in my opinion, that is highly unlikely to be accidental. I don't have the book in front of me, but the physical characteristic I remember about Fitz was his red hair; perhaps one of the very clever people on this board remember more details that might be salient?
Oh this is cruel!! Its bad enough that Jim keeps things secret!! :'(
Ah, congrats to parthagenon, then, good catch!
So, the next Knight of the Cross, then?
so FitzMacFinn? the next loup-garou
He was youthfully scrawny, his skin bronze enough to look Native American, though his tangled red hair and pug nose argued otherwise. His eyes were an odd shade of brown, so light as to be nearly golden.a little under 6 feet.
The hint: He's cursed.
P.S. Toe-mas took a flip video, and will be posting the entire signing on youtube asap.
Oooh, first thought on hearing Fitz's name was that means bastard (I only know from a different series FitzChivalry as a name) but didn't give any thought to it. Ooooh new SotC theory, good one guys. Or Hendrick's bastard child :D
To me that is telling me that she agreed to what he was doing, earlier she'd said she didn't think she could do it, she couldn't feel her hands, she needed his help. Though he'd given her the "ammo" to change, she still, in the little bit of sanity she had left, was giving her consent right there, telling him it was ok (at least to this reader). Maybe she knew what he had done and just wanted to help him finish it, knowing how hard it would be for him, because she knew him so well. She wanted him to save their daughter, and to her, at least in that point of time, it didn't matter how.
"Chauncy smiled, a rather intimidating expression. "MacFinn is a member of an ancient family line from an island known as Ireland. His family has a notable history. Sometime in the murky past, legend would have it, the man known as Saint Patrick cursed his ancestor to become a ravening beast at every full moon. The curse came with two addenda. First, that it would be hereditary, passing down to someone new each and every generation. And second, that the cursed line of the family would never, ever die out, lasting until the end of days."
Emphasis added.
Those are weasel words. Everything Chauncey says after them can totally legitimately be truthful reporting of legends Chauncey knows full well are a pack of lies.
Appearence: a little under 6 feet.
He can communicate with spirits and has some weak(??) magic in him.
Apparently, he's also a bastard and is cursed........
Thats all the info i could synthesize from GS. Frankly, I am lost......I have spent over an hour breaking my head over this and have come up with squat.....
Tera and Macfinn or whatever his name was offspring... cursed with the Loup Garou but part wolf anyway. Tera looked NAtive American right?
Tera is a wolf who learned to shapeshift in to human.
He was youthfully scrawny, his skin bronze enough to look Native American, though his tangled red hair and pug nose argued otherwise. His eyes were an odd shade of brown, so light as to be nearly golden.
I broke out into a cold sweat and looked out the other window.
Directly into a pair of brilliant, feral, amber eyes.
...
"I am Harley MacFinn's fiance. Miss West," she said. "I am called Tera."
Tera West was there, [/snip]
She was naked, her body a uniform shade of brown
"And dogs." Sir Stuart added. "Maybe one in ten of them seem to have a talent for sensing us. Probably why they are always barking."
“I seem to remember at a Q&A a few years ago, you said Tera West would be showing up in Book 13 aka Ghost Story. Is this still happening, or has her character been shuffled down the line a bit due to the change in total number of case file books?”
My first answer is “bump her down a couple.” But on the other hand, it might be interesting to see her again in this book.
We’ll see what happens. :)
I believe there was a WoJ stating that West would show up again within a few books.
I don't fully agree with you at all......I too approached from the appearance angle and then went to wikipedia list of characters and tried to make a short list......I came up with Tera , Injun joe (Native American), Mac Finn, and white court vamps (cursed) but then kinda got distracted by the "definitive answer"....
I am not completely happy with Tera West angle.....why would the woman who cared for the alphas leave her own son?? But, I do agree that Tera West is the only one that fits the appearance....and from the given info no other conclusion can be drawn. Perhaps the Alphas were a sort of substitute for her "lost son"??
I got say that Serack theory is really sound, but you can never be 100% sure on TDF. But I'll tie my boat with his in this one. Since he seens to be in Chicago for a while (Time enough to joing a gang and make some friends he care about, and beside he says something about the last 6 months got much worse.) the only things left unexplained is why no loup-garou rampage on full moon. But there is a lot of possible explanations for that(age, wolf-descendence, own secret circle).
Well, will have to wait for the next book or maybe more untill this is comfirmed. By the way any WoJ on possible release date for CD?
Talking about the Loup-Garou wanted to mention that they have "supernatural speed, power, and ferocity...They're immune to poison and to any kind of sorcery that goes for the Brain." Now, that said, I'm not sure if this qualifies while they are not in form. I did notice that Harry is suprised with the following: "Fitz slammed a fist into the other man’s face with speed and violence enough to impress even me—and I’ve seen some fast things in action." One thing I found interesting is that Fitz and gang go over to the Carpenters to eat while Murphy, Harry, Molly, Bob assault Corpsetakers compound. And we know who is there that will sniff him out.
Someone asked him that at DC and he said something about it being due for him in... bah can't remember exactly but he said that he thought it would get released in July. He sounded very un sure though, like that's not his purview, he's just the creative type that spends all day eavesdropping on his imaginary friends and then writing down what they say.
Its possible that Fitz hasn't started changing, but will at any time now. Its also possible that he has been changing for a while now, but wasn't with Baldy long enough to have gone through a full moon cycle.
I am not completely happy with Tera West angle.....why would the woman who cared for the alphas leave her own son?? But, I do agree that Tera West is the only one that fits the appearance....and from the given info no other conclusion can be drawn. Perhaps the Alphas were a sort of substitute for her "lost son"??
Therefore...the child of Gard and Hendricks.
IIRC, MacFinn said his curse kicked in while he was fighting in Vietnam.
And we know she is out there, since LtW said at one point that she sent her regards.
Unless a wolf wizard get the same sort of extended lifespan as a human one... ;)
But is she a wolf wizard, or a wolf werehuman; ISTR there being something in the RPG about Harry actually being wrong that the Alphas are like practitioners with one spell, but that it's a different thing altogether, and I am not recalling anything to say the Alphas get extended lifespans.Interesting point. Id always assumed the Alpha's wouldnt get the lifespan purely on a strength basis, working off the unverified assumption that the lifespan/healing perk comes into play around the same general power level as the Sight, Soulgazes, and the murphionic field, but I have nothing to really back that up. Would a wolf Werehuman be anything life the difference between a weregoat and a goatwere? (mentioned by bob in passing in SmF)
Just a thought, but Tera was normally a wolf from what I gather, and if she gave birth to a human, it would make sense to me at least that like Harry with little Maggie she might try to put him somewhere he will be safe and insulated from her and MacFinns world.and so then like
So while I can't see her willingly abandoning her child, I can see her being forced into the situation.
Just a thought, but Tera was normally a wolf from what I gather, and if she gave birth to a human, it would make sense to me at least that like Harry with little Maggie she might try to put him somewhere he will be safe and insulated from her and MacFinns world.
So while I can't see her willingly abandoning her child, I can see her being forced into the situation.
Red hair.
Can hear the dead.
Very tall.
Scrawny, but still a teenager.
Probably a bastard child.
Therefore...the child of Gard and Hendricks.
EMacB has a tiein theory that is pretty interesting. Waiting impatiently for him to post it.
Just another observation of someone with red curly hair and golden eyes..."a very tall, slender, inhumanly beautiful woman stepped out of the smoke. Reddish hair curled down past her hips in a riotous cascade, complementing her flawless skin, high cheekbones, and lush full bloodred lips. Her face was ageless, and her golden eyes had vertical slits instead of pupils, like a cat..."Hello, my son," Lea purred. I stepped forward, between the faerie and Michael and said, in a rough voice, "Hello Godmother."
If he is the son of McFinn and Tera (which seems awfully probable), I don't think she would totally abandon him
I'm not 100% sure on Gard. (although it could fit) It could very well be, and some of those "side-by-side" moments could be less teamwork to protect the boss and more teamwork because they're in love. Because of her origins is she capable of having children? She's part of Odin's crew after all.
She could also not be with him because of being dead.
Childs and Felicia are going to have bigger parts in the future, I think. Also, for some reason I am imagining Harry and the Justice League saving Marcone from Childs in the future.
As described in the book, Childs struck me with an odd vibe.
But I haven't really completely parsed *why* just yet.
She could also not be with him because of being dead.
Dark complexion, Mediterranean more than African. Angular, bird-of-prey-like nose. Hair is peroxide blond. Arrives early. Eyes' color between dark honey and poison ivy. Strong but not bulky, Harry likens him to a cobra? Newly arrived into Marcone's employ...
Except there is a WoJ that she will be showing up again in another book.
Except there is a WoJ that she will be showing up again in another book.
Hmmm, while my first thought upon reading this description here (but now while reading the book) was, "mediterranean"? Like the connection on Madalain's phone? Could he be a spy in Marcone's Organization from the Black Council?
I don't buy this one; ever-virgin is a core attribute for Valkyries.For the Valkyries in Norse legend, yes. (spoilered in case you haven't read "Side Jobs"
For the Valkyries in Norse legend, yes. (spoilered in case you haven't read "Side Jobs"
Why would she want to imply that she is no virgin? To lie for the sake of lying?
And thats just the classic legends. We have a rather blatant in text citation of how the Virgin aspect is not part of the DV Valkyrie. If you choose to disbelieve the text without any particular reasoning/evidence behind, thats up to you...
Why would she want to imply that she is no virgin? To lie for the sake of lying?
I choose to believe that any supernatural being that implies something rather than stating it outright is covering for not directly stating it.
The more obvious the implication, the more I believe this. Because you can't go around sticking "legend has it" before every time you might possibly want an ambiguity.
Umm ok maybe waaay off, but could Fitz in someway be Bob's son. Here me out, in GS Bob's "Human form" has gold-brown eyes, what if when Harry once let Bob out he ahh went along for a ride with someone, hey he apparently started an orgy once. Then if a baby resulted, would that kid be more prone to the spirit world, I don't know be able to hear it?
Then again the dark skin of Fitz fits more in line with Tera
Umm ok maybe waaay off, but could Fitz in someway be Bob's son. Here me out, in GS Bob's "Human form" has gold-brown eyes, what if when Harry once let Bob out he ahh went along for a ride with someone, hey he apparently started an orgy once. Then if a baby resulted, would that kid be more prone to the spirit world, I don't know be able to hear it?
I don't buy this one; ever-virgin is a core attribute for Valkyries.Not if you believe Gard in Heoroth. But I see nothing of Gard in Fitz description.
You'll have to forgive me I didn't read all the comments so I hope I am not repeating something.
Serack, some questions for you if you can answer them.
Do you think Fitz will be able to control the change (or be trained to control it) or have his human consciousness afterward?
Does he have a soul or some mixed hybrid of one?
Would this explain why he was able to hear Harry?
I choose to believe that any supernatural being that implies something rather than stating it outright is covering for not directly stating it.lol, I think there are clinical terms for that. Maybe even medications ;)
The more obvious the implication, the more I believe this. Because you can't go around sticking "legend has it" before every time you might possibly want an ambiguity.
"He [Bob] looked . . . quite ordinary, really. Tall, but not outrageously so; slender without being rail thin. He had decent shoulders and looked sort of familiar. He was dressed like James Dean—jeans, a white shirt, a leather biker’s jacket." I wonder who Bob looks like, why he looks familiar. Or is it tied in with the following:
“There’s the Bob I know and love,” I said. “Love, ick,” he replied. “And I am and I’m not. I mean, you get that I change based on who possesses the skull, right?” “Sure,” I said. “So I’m a lot like I was with you, even though I’m with Butters, because he met me back then. First impression and whatnot, highly important.” Perhaps Bob's appearance is the amalgamation of past and present owners.
You'll have to forgive me I didn't read all the comments so I hope I am not repeating something.
Serack, some questions for you if you can answer them.
Do you think Fitz will be able to control the change (or be trained to control it) or have his human consciousness afterward?
Does he have a soul or some mixed hybrid of one?
Would this explain why he was able to hear Harry?
Not if you believe Gard in Heoroth.
I'm using this as part of my argument for explaining his parentage, so yah I think that is very likely. Stuart did say that 1 in 10 dogs can sense spirits.
I believe if Gard had meant to deny that outright she'd have denied it outright, and coy implications are not an outright denial.
In seriousness though, the other explanation is that they talk like real, normal people and not like they are on a witness stand where every syllable is going to be dissected for hidden meaning and binding literalism.
I believe if Gard had meant to deny that outright she'd have denied it outright, and coy implications are not an outright denial.
But is her outright denial of denying it outright and usage of coy implications an outright denial of the supposition that our lore is the same lore that is in the DV, or would that be an outright denial that the lore is different? ;D
I'm operating on the basis that the DV is the same as our world, or our world's lore, unless actively shown otherwise.
Well, we already know that the WG is around at the same time that other gods, such as Odin, are hanging around, so there is at least some difference in the lore.
Not sure what you mean. There are people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asatru#Odinism) that worship Odin today.
My point is that, from my admittedly limited discussions with some of those people, contemporary Asatru do not have it as a core component of their faith that other gods are false, while other gods being a priori false is a regular component of at least such bits of contemporary Christianity as i am familiar with. (I had a Catholic schooling.)
I think Harry and/or told us that the old gods that no one believes go into the NN and dwindle. So Enki's probably running around in there. [If there are people that still hold to Sumerian beliefs today, just replace Enki with some placeholder deity that no one worships anymore.]
I do think, however, that if fae really truly can not lie (not sure if you've expressed doubt about that before), but let people believe things that are untrue, then it's not really consistent to say that the WG lets modern Christians believe that he's the only god, so he's lying.
The difference there, fwiw, is that the Fae are not espousing a morality in which bearing false witness in all its forms is a bad thing. The Fae are not doing something that is on their own moral terms wrong; the WG would seem to be.
Where are you getting their moral terms from?
At risk of crossing threads, the Ten Commandments, particularly in this case the one about not bearing false witness.
Bob mentions Archangels as being on the list of entities with full Intellectus. If you combine that with the WoJ above, that Uriel can't lie (I'd more or less assumed that was true), you've got a difficult character to write--one whose every statement MUST accurately reflect the Dresdenverse as it actually is.
Note that Uriel's dismay over Jack's "three people Harry loves" lie is not a counter-example, due to the distinction between Intellectus and true omniscience. Uriel had not previously considered that Jack might have lied to Harry, so he didn't know it had happened. Intellectus requires that a question be brought to the mind of the entity in order for the answer to arrive with it. True omniscience wouldn't require that (in theory, since it hasn't come up yet in the Dresdenverse).
I don't think it's possible for Uriel to make a statement literally without thinking about it first. This would mean that Uriel knows with certainty the truth value of his every statement (Intellectus), and that the truth value is always positive (he can't lie).
I studied the man a little more closely. He was big. He was really big, at least as tall as me and twice as broad. He was dressed only in a pair of cutoff blue jeans, and those looked like they were ill fit. He was in a condition best described as "overwhelmingly masculine," hairy-chested and muscled like a professional wrestler. There was grey in his hair and beard, and there were lines on his face, putting his age at well into maturity. It was his eyes that showed me the most about him. They burned green, wild and haunted, fastened on the distant sky now, but heavy with the weight of too much terrible knowledge. It couldn't have been easy to live with a curse like his.
Its pelt was shaggy, jet-black and matte, except where fresh blood was making it glisten.
He nodded. "It's how I came back from 'Nam. Everyone else in my platoon died but me. I knew the full moon was coming. And I knew that I hated them, hated the soldiers who had killed my friends. When I changed, I started killing until there wasn't anyone left alive within maybe two miles."
If MacFinn is Celtic it's highly likely he has some redhead in his genetics. It doesn't matter what his hair color is, his son could easily be a redhead. My husband has red hair and neither of his parents do.
My point is that, from my admittedly limited discussions with some of those people, contemporary Asatru do not have it as a core component of their faith that other gods are false, while other gods being a priori false is a regular component of at least such bits of contemporary Christianity as i am familiar with. (I had a Catholic schooling.)
Therefore, what Jim is doing in the DV is a fictional universe in which we have, thus far, seen one of the core cosmological axioms of Christianity been demonstrated to be untrue, and we have not seen anything similar with regard to the Aesir.
I believe if Gard had meant to deny that outright she'd have denied it outright, and coy implications are not an outright denial.This is typically a subject where you can not really expect outright answers because other answers are a lot more fun and outright answers make it a lot more serious. But I think her reaction quite convincing.
...If the MacFinn/Tera West theory is true, I seriously hope one of the good guys figures it out before the poor kid's first change.Or maybe he can't change and that's why Tera had to drop him off in human society. Maybe she had him taken to Chicago in hopes that Dreden or one of his allies would find him.
This is typically a subject where you can not really expect outright answers because other answers are a lot more fun and outright answers make it a lot more serious. But I think her reaction quite convincing.
Besides I have read WOJ somewhere when asked if Gard was with Hendriks he answered that Hendriks was with Gard.
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,12157.msg535056.html#msg535056
If the MacFinn/Tera West theory is true, I seriously hope one of the good guys figures it out before the poor kid's first change.
sorry, little add on. if the bloodline dies, is it another distant relative of the family? or does some random joe schmo get this curse?Probably the next most Irish person in the vicinity.
Probably the next most Irish person in the vicinity.
Will we be seeing more of Fitz in the future books?
I think it’s unlikely, but who knows. Supporting character have surprised me before.
For what it's worth, from the Bitten with Books chat:
Jim's often dodgy with answers but this seems pretty straightforward. No smiley face or anything!
The wolf speculation comes from:But Tera West wasn't in Ghost Story, or at least I do not remember reading about her.
A) Tera West was supposed to be in GS
B) A lot was done through proxies
C) MacFinn's curse can't die, but he didn't have a kid (that we knew of)
D) Fitz's skin was dark, almost bronze, like native american dark
E) Fitz's hair was red, like an Irishman's
F) Fitz's eyes are roughly the color of Tera West's
G) Fitz is Cursed
Taken together, it seems to point to Fitz being the result of Tera West and Harley MacFinn
His eyes are roughly the color of Tera West's? Lots of people have that eye color.
But Tera West wasn't in Ghost Story, or at least I do not remember reading about her.
Yeah, but the proxies mentioned where Mab, Lea, Demonreach, maybe Uriel. Nothing mentioned about Tera West.
If MacFinn died, then either his nearest relative caught it, God wouldn't that be terrible? Or the curse died with him. The curse was on his family, when his family died it would die with them. No evidence that Terra West had a litter of puppies.
Fitz's skin is dark.. Well, he could be Hispanic, Italian, half AfroAmerican, Middle Eastern, Micronesian, and any other combination that produces darker skin, East Indian...
Fitz's hair is red like an Irishman.. There are red haired people in my family, we are Danish. There is a famous Viking named Eric the Red, because of his red hair, lots of Englishmen have red hair.
His eyes are roughly the color of Tera West's? Lots of people have that eye color.
Fitz is cursed.. Okay, WOJ on that one, but he also said Fitz in more books not likely.. So why say anything at all? However there are more curses under the sun than you can shake a stick at, stay tuned.. You could be right, or just jumping to conclusions.
It says: "He was youthfully scrawned, his skin bronze enough to look Native American, though his tangled red hair and pug nose argued otherwise. His eyes were an odd shade of brown, so light as to be nearly golden"Maybe Dina, but why go to all that trouble and then say he most likely not be in any of the future books? Also one more thought, you'd think that Terra West would have done a better job of raising her pup. If he was raised in the Pacific Northwest, raised with the care and wisdom his mother had, what was he doing a stray dog orphan subjugated to a second rate sorcerer bully? One more thing, if he was turning into a Loup every full moon, how come a lot of torn up bodies didn't turn up in Chicago? Heck all those kids, the second rate sorcerer himself? Harry didn't mention seeing any fancy magic circle, the kind that would be needed to contain a Loop. That's where I have a problem, it is easy to jump to conclusions based on his description and the fact that Jim said he was cursed, but when you think about it, it doesn't add up, at least to me it doesn't.
I think one of the reasons that WJM mentioned is quite unconclusive, but all of them together made a solid case (I am not saying is 100% sure, only that it is VERY probable)
Fitz may well be too young to have had his first transformation. It would be entirely in-genre for such curses to remain inactive "until his 18th birthday"...or 16th, or 21st, or whatever is particularly significant. As far as Tera West's possibly unconventional parenting style, it's worth remembering that she isn't human, and lost her mate, who was human, several years ago.
One thing to remember is, according to the curse, it's almost certain that West and MacFinn had a child. Since we know that they never married before MacFinn's death, that child would be a bastard. Fitz means bastard. He has physical characteristics that resemble Tera West and MacFinn, acts in a semi-wolfish sort of way socially, and we apparently have a WoJ that Fitz is cursed. These are rather a lot of factors to dismiss in order to claim it's a coincidence.
I realize JB's also said that he had no plans to use Fitz as a character again, but you never know. That doesn't contradict any of the above; it could mean that JB doesn't plan to bring the Loup-Garou curse back into the plotline. This makes sense--the Loup-Garou curse was covered in FM, and if it originated from Saint Patrick (who was a bloody idiot, if so), then it doesn't seem to be an integral part of the long-term plotline.
Besides, Jim's world doesn't solely revolve around Harry. Well, it does, but other people have their own stories too.Jim has said he has "a whole stable" of support characters, many of which may never get into the books. Hell, Klaus the Toymaker was only mentioned in passing back in SK, but he apparently has a whole backstory from WWII.
Carlos' family has a restaurant and the White Court don't have many operations in LA. Morgan had his love for Luccio. Ebenezar has a truck load of stories mentioned in passing attributed to him. Hell, half of the Alphas left to go do their own thing rather than stay in Chicago to play protector to the city.
Okay, but wouldTera conceive as a human or a wolf? Have one child or a litter of pups? Yes, Fitz means bastard, but people have names like Fitzgerald and they are not bastards, an ancestor was. Surely Fitz knows what is coming if he is indeed her son, yet how long is he going to stick around those kids? I mean can you see Zero leaving him?
Some interesting conjecture. Indeed, Fitz's name may have significance or it may just be someone naming him that because it sounded nice to them. Hopefully we will learn something in the next book. I have no idea what form a baby from a human and non human comes out. I think it may vary, some human looking and some the non human parent looking and some somewhere in between. I think Fix may be a scion of a human and non human. He seemed to be more mind magic resistant than normal besides the being able to hear Harry and the unusual eyes. Hopefully Zero wasn't named that because he is worthless. ;)Yeah, we have no evidence that either Tara West or MacFadden could hear or see ghosts, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't. I got the impression that Tara West was much more inclined to the wolf side than her "human side," so if Fitz is a son, he may have several bothers and sisters also under the curse.
I always found very rare the WoJ about not planning to use Fitz. He has been too well described and he was left so open (we still don't know why he heard ghosts) that when I was reading GS, I was sure Fitz will be in the next books. I still hope he come back.
The cursed hint is 100% my hint to point people at MacFinn. It's only based off of the other evidence, it's not canon.
I agree. Many of us singled him out as a great new character addition because of the way he was introduced and the relative unnecessary nature of his part of the GS storyline. The whole point of that storyline seemed to be to introduce Fitz as a relevant character for future books (I know there was a Harry epiphany involved, but it still feels like a tangent if that's all it was for). I was very disappointed when I saw that WoJ about Fitz being a one-shot. :(
Just another observation of someone with red curly hair and golden eyes..."a very tall, slender, inhumanly beautiful woman stepped out of the smoke. Reddish hair curled down past her hips in a riotous cascade, complementing her flawless skin, high cheekbones, and lush full bloodred lips. Her face was ageless, and her golden eyes had vertical slits instead of pupils, like a cat..."Hello, my son," Lea purred. I stepped forward, between the faerie and Michael and said, in a rough voice, "Hello Godmother."
Listens to Wind and Lea BOOM!!! 8)
and on another note not done reading but for the people point out how seraks guess doesnt fit the timeline i say "since when has jim let little things like descrepancies in timeline or tons of other things get in his way of telling a good story" he lets us nerds worry bout that stuff and argue if its intentional clues or jus actualy mistakes
I still think that fitz can't be a wolf because we have a wolf character. it would be like a new cop joining with murphy-what's the point? we have a couple of wolves already. IMO, that means that 1. either fitz is a wolf but will not be significant, or 2. that he isn't a wolf and would be significant.His possible "wolf" half interests me far less than his possible Loup Garou half. Unless the two combine or interact in some fashion. Id love to see it where the Wolf half allowed him to gain a measure of control over during the loup Garou transformation that McFinn didnt have. A controlled/intelligent Loup Garoup would be an immortal monster of incredible badassness ;D
since fitz got a lot of screen time in GS, i say it has to be the second
I still think that fitz can't be a wolf because we have a wolf character. it would be like a new cop joining with murphy-what's the point?
we have a couple of wolves already. IMO, that means that 1. either fitz is a wolf but will not be significant, or 2. that he isn't a wolf and would be significant.
since fitz got a lot of screen time in GS, i say it has to be the second
His possible "wolf" half interests me far less than his possible Loup Garou half. Unless the two combine or interact in some fashion. Id love to see it where the Wolf half allowed him to gain a measure of control over during the loup Garou transformation that McFinn didnt have. A controlled/intelligent Loup Garoup would be an immortal monster of incredible badassness ;D
Remember people, that the "Fitz is cursed" is not a WOJ. It was a hint that Serack used at beginning of this thread to get people to guess MacFinn. I have seen multiple times where people state there is a WOJ about this when in fact there isn't.
I still think that fitz can't be a wolf because we have a wolf character. it would be like a new cop joining with murphy-what's the point? we have a couple of wolves already. IMO, that means that 1. either fitz is a wolf but will not be significant, or 2. that he isn't a wolf and would be significant.
since fitz got a lot of screen time in GS, i say it has to be the second
Hendricks!
I can see Fitz at some point becoming a Holy Knight, but sorry but I agree to me it just doesn't fit as a wolf. I cannot see a child of Tara West, raised with her values in the woods of the Pacific Northwest, falling into the gutter to be pushed around as he was by a second rate sorcerer. So as much as his description fits some things most of the stuff just doesn't fit.I think it fits perfectly as a wolf, honestly.
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Sorry, just had a squick moment.
That is assuming that he has aged the way a human would for his entire life. If the hypothesis is correct then that might not be the case. If one of his parents was a wolf and one was a human then why assume he ages at the same rate as a normal human?That is a good point, but a stretch in my opinion, yes the age is all wrong. What tells me more than anything he isn't Tera West's pup, is his behavior. Wolves are social creatures, they run in packs and are very good parents. Tera West was impressive in her values, a big thing she did was to teach the Alphas a good value system and what it means to be a wolf. Fitz didn't show any of that, yeah, he is a sensitive, and Harry saw that he wasn't all bad, but if Harry hadn't come along, Fitz would have continued down the same road he was on most likely. To me that just doesn't fit with the values of Tera West.
So...Jim didn't actually say Fitz is cursed, Serack did...?
It's because he has red hair isn't it? Ron Weasley had red hair! Ginger power!
(Even though I have brown hair :P)
That is a good point, but a stretch in my opinion, yes the age is all wrong. What tells me more than anything he isn't Tera West's pup, is his behavior. Wolves are social creatures, they run in packs and are very good parents. Tera West was impressive in her values, a big thing she did was to teach the Alphas a good value system and what it means to be a wolf. Fitz didn't show any of that, yeah, he is a sensitive, and Harry saw that he wasn't all bad, but if Harry hadn't come along, Fitz would have continued down the same road he was on most likely. To me that just doesn't fit with the values of Tera West.And if he ran away....he wouldn't have been raised by Tera.
He could also be related to Gard, lots of Scandinavians have red hair, remember the famous Viking, Eric the Red?
But red hair is associated with the Irish, not the Scandanavians. Yes, there are red haired Vikings, but from what I've seen Blonde and Black hair is WAAAAY more common than Red hair.In addition...how would he be related to Gard?
But red hair is associated with the Irish, not the Scandanavians. Yes, there are red haired Vikings, but from what I've seen Blonde and Black hair is WAAAAY more common than Red hair.No, I happen to be a Danish decent, lots of red heads in my family. There was a bit of a Scandinavian colony where I grew up, a lot of them were red heads. In fact I know more red heads of Scandinavian decent than I do Irish, most of the ones I know have black hair.
Edit: And you keep bringing up Eric the Red. Are you a descendant or something? Not mocking, I'm just curious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair
"Red or reddish-tinged hair is also found in other European populations particularly in the Nordic and Baltic countries as well as parts of the Netherlands, Spain, Belgium, France, Greece, Turkey, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Russia and South Slavic countries."
i always took Eric the red being odd for haveing red hair thus being dubbed eric the red but what do iknow
I always figured he was angry and/or blood-soaked.
he was pissed off cuz he was a gingerHA!
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Fitz protects the members of his "pack". He takes the punishment his "Alpha" dishes out. He follows the lead of his alpha. What doesn't work as wolfish?It does work as wolfish..it's very wolfish.
She taught them how to be wolves, according to Fool Moon.
Additionally I don't recall who made the comment but what "good values" did Tera West teach the Alphas?
Didn't Jim state that Fitz was meant to be a one time character? Of course so was Butters so things can change, but all this speculation seems to revolve around him being an important character when I'm almost certain Jim states he was not.Yes, there's a WoJ to state that...btu this thread predates the WoJ (I think) :)
She taught them how to be wolves, according to Fool Moon.
I'm not sure what other 'values' are being discussed.
Yes, there's a WoJ to state that...btu this thread predates the WoJ (I think) :)
For one thing she taught the Alphas that wolves do not act like the guys with the belts, nor do they act like the Loup. As I remember she was of great moral character in her own right, a great example for the young Alphas.Could you please define 'great moral character'? It just seems like one of those 'fuzzy' opinion things.
Could you please define 'great moral character'? It just seems like one of those 'fuzzy' opinion things.
Also, remember, she was engaged to the Loup, and I think there's a scene where she tells Harry at least part of the reason is because he's the most destructive thing out there.
By her lights, tis a judgment call for sure, she was honest as only a wolf or a dog can be honest, the Alphas would have turned into a mess if it weren't for her..Is that your definition of moral character? Honesty?
Is that your definition of moral character? Honesty?Honesty is basic to morality my friend. Yes, she did, and she also taught them how wolves act, no more, no less, true to themselves and true to the animal form they were taking, that is ethics.
The Alpha's weren't a 'mess'...they were just children, both litterally and figuratively...she taught them how wolves act, how to actually USE the senses of their new forms.
I dont' think she was running ethics classes, though.
Honesty is basic to morality my friend. Yes, she did, and she also taught them how wolves act, no more, no less, true to themselves and true to the animal form they were taking, that is ethics.See, this is the problem with your argument, Mira.
But Jim didn't say Fitz was cursed, did he? Pretty sure that came from Serack.
Holy cow, I have Got to do a thorough re-read because I totally missed that.....what else did I miss!? LolHey, it's Emma Stone!
Honesty is basic to morality my friend.
Hey, it's Emma Stone!Just switched to Pink! XD
That depends on the morality. It certainly seems to be basic for Faerie.Is it morality if you simply cannot lie?
Is it morality if you simply cannot lie?
I am willing to think of the way in which Faerie thought and engagement with the universe is shaped by inability to lie as a morality, myself.I've always seen it as a biological imperative...something forced upon them by the universe, as a counterbalance to their greater lifespan and power, and as such, not a moral choice.
I've always seen it as a biological imperative...something forced upon them by the universe, as a counterbalance to their greater lifespan and power, and as such, not a moral choice.
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Does morality have to entail choice ?In my opinion...yes.
Yeah, that was part of Serack's theory, in pages 1-3 of this thread. At some later point, and I think it was in a different thread, someone alleged that JB had confirmed "Fitz is cursed" at a signing. It's not listed in the master WoJ list, as far as I know, and could easily have been the result of Thread Telephone.
Wait.
So what's pure speculation and what's WOJ?
If something is WOJ, when and where did it happen? Who can confirm?
As the guy who helped Serak develop his theory on the drive back from the DC signing, I can unequivicably confirm that, at the creation of the thread, there was no WoJ as to wether Fitz was cursed or not. That statement was placed in the OP as a clue for the rest of the forumites as to who we thought his parents were.