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I agree that you have to be the one to make the choice to do the right thing; what I mean by saying that the Knights' job is saving souls is the whole thing in "The Warrior," where Harry basically goes around doing things that end up helping people to do the right thing and improve their lives, even though he doesn't realize it until Uriel points it out. I figure the Knights probably have more awareness of what they're doing, but otherwise...Uriel explicitly describes people doing this as being "warriors for the light" or something--it seems like exactly what the Knights' job is, only they're more focussed on Denarians rather than innocent kids (probably because there are lots of people who would help innocent kids, and not many who would help Denarians and such).

Harry unknowingly helped others to make the "right" choice..  His actions created the climate where the right thing could be done...  Though he did prevent Michael from beating to death the guy who would harm his son, that was more direct action..   Knights are a little different,  when confronted with an evil action they'd try to stop it like any good person would, but they do not judge the person who did it, nor do they feel it is their place to punish that person... That is why except for that one night Murphy realized she couldn't be a Knight..  All her life she had been a cop and she used her own judgement to stop bad guys and she saw them or judged them as being bad.. When she judged Nic with a "Damn you,"  after he had surrendered and tried to execute him, she broke the rules and the Sword.    Like Murphy, Harry has no problem in punishing those he judges as bad or criminal, he also often repeats that he is no Knight.  After the foolishness with Lea has never tried to use a Holy Sword again. Though one wonders if he would have if pushed on the island in Small Favor.

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No one other than you can save your soul.


   Basically, that is what the point.   If I remember correctly that Harry argues that Michael or Sanya should kill Cassius after he surrendered and gave up his coin because Cassius is a killer and worse..  Michael says and Sanya agrees that it isn't for them to judge Cassius and that he was free now for the rest of his life to redeem himself or not....

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No. Not to the Knights. The Knights' explicit job is saving souls. If they were willing to prioritize preventing the Denarians' acts of mass destruction over that, they wouldn't have refused to touch Cassius after he surrendered his coin.

No,  once Cassius gave up his coin he became a free mortal once again..  The Knights do not save souls they give souls enthralled by the Fallen of the coins a chance at free will once more...  From the point where he surrenders the coin until his death, what he decides to do with what remains of his life is up to Cassius...  If he chooses to atone and seek redemption, well and good... If he doesn't, well it is his choice and no longer the concern of the Knights.

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DF Spoilers / Re: SO CLOSE!!!!
« on: June 25, 2019, 02:55:49 PM »
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Nov 21st???? Maybe?


  His lottery pick? :o

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Though of course, Michael has a vested interesting in his friend Harry not being a mass murderer.

True, but I really doubt if he believed it were true he'd let him off the hook.

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iirc it was mentioned in a WoJ that the bodies were damaged enough that the Council couldn't tell if they were dead before or after Harry's little outburst, and begrudgingly had to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Perhaps, in the book I think it was Michael who was of the opinion they were already dead.  I'd
have to go back and try to find the exact quote..  That isn't to say that he couldn't be mistaken, but being Michael he would be sincere in his belief and assurance.

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I believe it was argued, or Michael argued that those kids that burned up were already dead.. Poisoned or fed until death by the Vamps, they had already culled out and took away with them the the new recruits, they were at Bianca's place along with Susan.

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I'm not sure how the fact that Shiro was dying of cancer has an impact on the Knights' willingness to rescue people.


Shiro took Harry's place for Nic to torture and then infect with the plague...  Harry felt guilty about that so before any of that even began, Shiro wrote a letter along with his diagnosis saying that he was dying anyway...  Shiro was willing to rescue Harry, but there was a special reason for him doing it..  The fact that he was dying anyway altered a bit his sacrifice for Harry...

Rescuing Ivy wasn't all that important,  keeping the Archive out of Denarian hands is another matter all together..   

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Why not? Shiro went to rescue Harry from Nicodemus when he was basically in the same situation as Marcone was--i.e. "take up a coin or else."

In Harry's case in Death Mask it was a little more complicated than that.   The mission from Heaven
was to keep Harry safe,  yes, Shiro unknown at the moment was dying of cancer was willing to take Harry's place.

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It seems pretty clear to me in this that Michael refuses to hunt down the Denarians (as opposed to agreeing, but qualifying it by saying that he's not giving up on the Knights' "redemption first" policy, and that as such he's not going to go straight to trying to kill them) even after it is pointed out to him that they have kidnapped Marcone and are planning to force him to take up a coin.

It is the hardest thing to grasp and why not everyone is cut out to be a Holy Knight.  Yes, they fight evil, yes, they will kill a Denarian if they have to, but they do not go out on seek and destroy missions..   Sanya is clearly willing to, but his background is a bit different than Michael's.  Michael has to remind them what their mission as Knights is.

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"Agreed," Sanya said firmly. "Take the initiative. Find him and hit the snake before he can coil to strike."

Michael shook his head. "Brother, you forget our purpose. We are not given our power so that we can strike down our enemies, no matter how much they might deserve it. Our purpose is to rescue the poor souls trapped by the Fallen."

Free will still applies,  Michael isn't going to try and rescue Marcone to preventhim from taking up a coin..  Actually I don't know if it has been established that one can be forced to do that.. But if Marcone were to take up a coin, then Michael would do everything he could to get him to give it up.

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Isn't that what he did?

Yup, and that is the difficult concept for would be Holy Knights and non-Holy Knights to grasp..  It is the concept that tripped up Murphy...

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DF Spoilers / Re: A Question About Naagloshii
« on: June 20, 2019, 07:57:47 PM »
I'm so very, very sorry.  It always hurts, but it's so worth it, for the time we have with them.



I'm looking at the likelihood myself... for TWO dogs, actually.  :-(

I'm so sorry....   There are a number of factors that made this decision very,very hard... Not that it is ever easy.

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DF Spoilers / Re: The Second Coming
« on: June 20, 2019, 01:55:48 PM »
I'm curious why you say that. There are plenty of common mythical creatures that have barely been mentioned much less shown up in the series, there's no reason for a sphinx to be here more than a griffin, harpy, gorgon, hydra, basilisk, manticore, cyclops, etc.

Yeah,  I don't think we will see those creatures either..  I think it is the first part of the poem.. The White Council falling apart,  more warlocks because not enough wizards willing to train future wizards..  Disruption with in the White Council, the Winter and Summer Courts by Nemesis,  rot from with in..

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DF Spoilers / Re: I think Murphy is going to get killed here is why
« on: June 19, 2019, 05:23:51 PM »
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I'm saying that:
The teacher's actions (flunking me even though he knew I got the problems right, because he was in a bad mood and didn't like my handwriting) are unprofessional and wrong, and are the conduct of a bad teacher = Murphy's actions (assaulting Harry, refusing to listen to him for any reason) are unprofessional and wrong, and are the conduct of a bad cop

Is that clearer?

Clearer, but no sure if it matters unless it is part of a bigger picture..  Was your teacher just a bad teacher?  Or is what happened to you merely a one of?  Murphy's behavior towards Harry may have come from mere frustration because she was dealing with things beyond her understanding... Or is there a pattern of her smacking others around to get answers and her jumping to conclusions about evidence before she has the answers?  If the latter than she is a bad cop..

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But the point is that you didn't feel cheated at the time.

That doesn't make sense unless you had no clue that your answers were right or you were okay with getting your answers dinged because of your poor writing skills..    Harry felt responsible for Kim, that was irrational, he was also in shock about how she was killed..  However he knew that he didn't commit the murder and he didn't care to be punished for it... 

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DF Spoilers / Re: I think Murphy is going to get killed here is why
« on: June 19, 2019, 03:26:15 PM »
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You keep your tests once the class you took them for is over? Huh. I don't, so I hadn't included that in my analogy. If it bothers you, just pretend that the teacher didn't hand the tests back, and you found out your grade by looking on the school's website.

I would if I felt cheated... 

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Nope. If you have serious confidence problems to do with schoolwork, and you explicitly know that you have problems with the specific subject, you're fairly unlikely to go up to the teacher and demand an explanation. Remember, in this analogy I am the equivalent of Harry, who has a guilt complex (equivalent to "confidence problems to do with schoolwork") and knows that he's messed things up (from his perspective, anyway) with Murphy previously (equivalent to knowing that he's struggling with the class material).

One might consider a therapist...  Still, if the teacher in a math class flunks you due to penmanship, there should be a note to the fact on you paper...  Harry has a guilt complex not because he is sloppy with his work, but perhaps maybe he is too good at it..  Thus he takes the blame when he doesn't deserve any..

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