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DF Spoilers / Re: DragonCon 2021 Starborn or Star Born?
« on: September 13, 2021, 12:39:58 AM »
Quote from: The_Sibelis on September 13, 2021, 12:32:30 AM
I tend to think the third option would be a subconscious choice actually, I remember someone pointing out it was Harry's ID wearing the winter badge for instance. An ID harry was being influenced by lash too.
I think it's a matrix dupe. She accepted on some level without knowing exactly what she was saying yes to.

That is the trick.  Yes, on many levels she freely made the choices that got her where she ended up.
Yet, in truth since she had no understanding of what her choices would mean, how free were they? 

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DF Spoilers / Re: DragonCon 2021 Starborn or Star Born?
« on: September 12, 2021, 08:43:06 PM »
Quote from: morriswalters on September 12, 2021, 06:06:29 PM
As a matter of language that isn't what he appeared to say.  He said to take up the mantle they need to be mortal. Mortals by his definition have free will. Lea created a condition where the mantle would go to Molly if no other prepared candidates were available.

Perhaps, but at some point Molly had to have known this was the case and accepted the conditions of her own free will.  If she didn't and the mantle merely popped into her because she was the nearest vessel, then it wasn't of her free will.  Molly knowing when she accepted her "Auntie's" training that she was also accepting possible conditions for accepting a mantle is critical and never as far as I can tell been fully explained.  One way it was of her own free will, the other is that it wasn't, and that she was tricked into it by Lea and Mab.  Actually the latter is very possible, given how dangerous bargaining with the Fae can be..  The Fae cannot lie, but their view of truth isn't the same as for mere humans who end up with the short end of the stick usually in any Fae bargain.  In other words they got what they bargained for down to the last letter, only to find out it wasn't what they really were bargaining for in the first place.

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DF Spoilers / Re: DragonCon 2021 Starborn or Star Born?
« on: September 12, 2021, 04:17:41 PM »
Quote from: magnuskn on September 12, 2021, 01:29:11 PM
Kinda amazed that nobody asked a single question about Murphy.

Let her rest in peace,  I don't think we will see her again unless Harry is killed off in the BAT, then Gard will pick him up to join Murphy in Valhalla.

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DF Spoilers / Re: DragonCon 2021 Starborn or Star Born?
« on: September 12, 2021, 10:20:06 AM »
Quote from: groinkick on September 12, 2021, 04:12:15 AM
They need free will to take up the Mantle, not after.  I'm guessing if Molly had no intention of taking it up, it wouldn't have gone to her.

I think it is a little more complicated than that, in spite of what Mab told Harry.  Molly was being prepared no doubt, but unless she was outright told this or had enough knowledge of the Fae to know what was going on, it didn't enter her with her permission.  Once there I think it works like a massive shot of the most addictive drug you can think of.  Lilly may have been a changeling, but at
the time the mantle entered her, she was mortal enough to have free will to reject it.  The only one in the books at any rate that took up his mantle of him own free will, was Harry.. And even he didn't fully know what he bargained for once he took it up.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Demonreach, Ley lines, and Harry's connection
« on: September 12, 2021, 10:13:37 AM »
Quote from: Ed0517 on September 12, 2021, 04:40:46 AM
Sorry, Trekkie nitpick  - "City on the Edge of Forever"

I knew that, sorry about that, very hard week....  :(

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DF Spoilers / Re: DragonCon 2021 Starborn or Star Born?
« on: September 11, 2021, 11:37:58 PM »
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Later, one of the other questions was about Harry's free will. Jim said that his free will is dependent upon how many commands Mab saddles him with.

Well, I can see that, based on what she did to Slate, hard to have free will under those kinds of threats.
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Jim answered, Yes, and yes. Since mortals are the only ones who have free will, the queens must start out with free will. Which is odd, because we've already seen examples of how Molly doesn't have free will in all things, already.
Yes, as time passes she becomes less human.. Or is a bit more complicated than that?  Kind of like angels, all kinds of power but the greater the power the greater the constraints they have to live under. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: I can see why some of the gods would be in pro wrestling
« on: September 11, 2021, 02:36:58 PM »
Quote from: TheCuriousFan on September 11, 2021, 12:26:16 PM
Considering the power would have actually gone over to winter instead of having a matter/anti-matter reaction that takes out a summer knight sized chunk of winter's power there's got to be some kind of filtering system in the stone table, we just don't have details.

That happens and the world is in danger either way, there has to be balance.

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DF Spoilers / Re: I can see why some of the gods would be in pro wrestling
« on: September 11, 2021, 11:11:26 AM »
Quote from: Con on September 11, 2021, 07:43:54 AM
I agree completely on every point. I'm with you.

I am as well, let us hope the outline is flexible..

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DF Spoilers / Re: California Crew
« on: September 11, 2021, 11:10:22 AM »
Quote from: toodeep on September 09, 2021, 10:11:39 PM
True, but if ever a place was in need of a good feng shui team it would be Chicago during the rebuild.  Considering what happened there, Chicago could either become a real epicenter of supernatural activity in the world or totally anathema to it since the mortals there are so sensitized to it now.

Well, no place in more need of some serious feng shui than Harry's new home, the castle.. I can see Lara insisting on it. ;)

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DF Spoilers / Re: DragonCon 2021 Starborn or Star Born?
« on: September 10, 2021, 05:02:06 PM »
Quote from: TrueMonk on September 10, 2021, 11:18:17 AM
I am also thinking that 12 months compared to a normal book should be easier and faster to write. If a normal book is 80% stand alone and 20% based on the previous books, and those 20% are to some degree complicating mainly complicating things, not making them easier. Then 12 months 7s just the opposite.

Perhaps a lesson learned as to why it isn't a good thing to let too many years pass between books.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
« on: September 10, 2021, 04:56:56 PM »
Quote from: morriswalters on September 10, 2021, 01:27:39 PM
As a Doylist the text is the text. If the passage I cited isn't meant to enlighten the reader, what exactly is the point?Well, in the practical sense killing the Knight just because you can would be a bad recruiting tactic. On the other hand keeping him alive under torture sends a massage that says, being a traitor has it's cost.

 Be it a bad Knight,incompetent Knight, or no Knight, makes no difference really it upsets the power balance.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
« on: September 10, 2021, 10:13:38 AM »
Quote from: Second Aristh on September 10, 2021, 05:28:06 AM
But things would have been even.  Knights are like paper cups.  Use them and replace as needed.  Mab was holding out for a really good one in Harry, but push come to shove, a temp works just fine until then.

Would they?  They weren't when Slate was Knight..  With the kind of power the mantle has, Knights are not like paper cups at all, a bad Knight is a lot worse than no Knight at all.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
« on: September 10, 2021, 05:14:21 AM »
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One and a half.  Finding a real piece of work to be temp Winter Knight wouldn't be hard for the scary queen of faerie.  It wouldn't even have to be a good candidate to be as good as Fix.
She already had that in Slate and he was a traitorous disaster, no, though it was Maeve that picked him, Mab would make certain that mistake wouldn't be repeated.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Demonreach, Ley lines, and Harry's connection
« on: September 10, 2021, 03:21:51 AM »
Quote from: Second Aristh on September 09, 2021, 10:55:04 PM
Harry and Luccio have a conversation about Ivy's relative power level in SmF, I think.  The White Council puts her around the level of the Summer/Winter Lady, but Harry thinks it's an underestimate.  My impression is that Ivy might not have the sheer power of the Ladies, but much better control.  Not to mention the soft power of that much information.

But not in that point of time, Ivy was still a child, on one hand she could play the part of the cold Archive, but in many aspects in reality she was a very young child with a child's emotional needs.
Kincaid understood that, as did Harry, but at the same time they both were clueless as to how to meet those needs without screwing up the delicate balance between the Archive and it's host.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
« on: September 10, 2021, 03:13:18 AM »
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Mab being down her top three agents is getting closer, but Mab didn't know she was down her top three agents at that point.

She knew she was down a Knight, and her right hand go to Fae, Lea... That is two out of the three.

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At any point, Mab could have appointed a fill-in Winter Knight while she convinced Harry to be their replacement.
Could she? I doubt it is that simple, 1] the new Knight would have to be willing to kill Slate,2] the new Knight would have to handle the power of the mantle and take orders,3] I doubt the new Knight would resign, so someone would have to be willing to kill him or her.
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“A much more serious reason would be an issue of the balance of power between the Courts of Summer and Winter. Any reaction to the invasion would alter what resources one would have at hand. If one Court did not act in concert with the other, it would provide an ideal opportunity for a surprise assault while the other had its strategic back turned.”

There is your answer..

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