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Like with politicians.. ::)

Yes and no.

Politicians say weasel words and half-truths all the time because its better PR-wise so when they don't follow through. They can claim that their words were misunderstood.

The Fae hedge their words so that they can fulfill their oaths in the way most advantageous to them. They always keep their promises, but opinions may differ on what the promise actually was.

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But they aren't lying.

They are using every method they can to be deceptive, but they avoid the actual act of lying directly. It's a game they constantly play among themselves and with others. They twist the wording of bargains for every advantage they can because they are bound by them. Bad things happen to them if they don't keep their promises.

The "Cannot tell a direct lie." trope is present in many books and in all of them, the group bound by it is marked by speaking in weasel words.  You bargain with them at your own peril. Look at the Aes Sedai in the WoT for example.
 
There is no spirit or fairness in Winter Law, only the letter.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Goodman Grey, nemfected?
« on: September 02, 2023, 05:19:12 PM »
But was it really?  Interesting that it was a shot to the heart and not the head, death wasn't instant was it? That he fell into ice cold water that would immediately begin to cool his body and slow things down, that he just happened to fall into Mab's waiting arms. If he had fallen onto the deck, he would have quickly bled out.  Harry was never all dead, he was mostly dead, which is slightly alive. Uriel wanted to teach Harry a lesson, and Mab felt she had no choice but to go along knowing it was a risk because "death is a spectrum".  Ivy was pissed because Harry would think of doing such a thing, and more pissed at Kincaid because he'd go along with it.  It is my opinion that both Mab and Uriel anticipated what Harry was going to do and acted accordingly.

Ivy forced Kincaid to make a chest shot and not a headshot. If Kincaid had done it with a headshot Harry would be DEAD dead. There wouldn't have been enough for Mab to save.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Goodman Grey, nemfected?
« on: September 01, 2023, 07:29:02 PM »
You don't deceive Mab in the long term. But she's not omniscient and you can get things over in short term.

Lea and Maeve were both Nemfected, It didn't take Mab long to discover it, but a lot of damage was done.

Harry's suicide was successful and would have been permanent if not for Ivy's threat to Kincaid and Mab going to extraordinary measures to save him. She was actually pleased with the attempt.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Dabble Interview 23 August 2023
« on: August 30, 2023, 03:33:41 PM »
Exactly, before she was infected she was 100% vanilla human, if she had talent it was of the ordinary kind like Butters when we first meet him..

Yes, but we are led to believe by the books that Susan didn't become pregnant until after she was infected. So Maggie is the child of a wizard and a quasi-ramp. If she has any magical potential, then Chichen Itza may have activated it early.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Dabble Interview 23 August 2023
« on: August 25, 2023, 10:36:16 PM »
Bonea would be Bob's apprentice. Harry would be teaching her about life in general to give her grounding, but her magic would be of the same nature as Bob's.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Let's take another look at Elaine ...
« on: August 25, 2023, 04:15:40 PM »
Sadly, I think this is true of every character in the series that isn't a present or former Knight of the Cross.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Dabble Interview 23 August 2023
« on: August 23, 2023, 08:00:15 PM »
Well Jim could keep it simple and have Maggie Jr. as the apprentice. My longshots would be Fitz(from GS) or Hope Carpenter.

Freydis would make sense as a bodyguard.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Let's take another look at Elaine ...
« on: August 22, 2023, 11:49:01 PM »
Why give Harry a way out? If Aurora and Elaine are both nemfected?

And if Aurura died where did her Nemfection go? Not Lily, Fix? Toot? Aurora died by Harry’s hand he was holding her while she died. Maeve was killed by suicide and her infection passed on. Is that the difference? Harry in killing the host kills the Nemfection?

Maeve died by Murphy putting a bullet through her face on Halloween. And her Nemfection didn't pass on. Justine was already controlled at the time according to Nemesis' own words.

“How long?” I asked. “How long have you been in Justine?”
Justine waved the steel bar in a vague gesture. “Mortal time is such a limited concept. A few years. Ever since she became close to Lara.”

Butcher, Jim. Battle Ground (Dresden Files Book 17) (p. 360). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

 

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What's stopping him from forming a body? I don't know. Maybe he makes himself Brad Pitt or Denzel Washington on those nights out and gets it on with the ladies. It's possible.

But across the entirety of the Dresden Files, we've never seen it happen. Maybe it's one of those rules, "Fae can't tell a direct lie." or "Circles block magic crossing them." I can accept one, why not the other?

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I've never thought that they can't affect the physical world. We've had plenty of evidence of that. I just think that they can't form ectoplasmic bodies.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Heloise Valorius - Who Is She?
« on: August 17, 2023, 01:05:54 PM »
In our world, who knows where the Dresdenverse double is based?

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We are told in Skin Game Goodnan Grey pulls in ectoplasm from the Never to increase his mad to that say if a horse. The principle for Bob to create an ectoplasmic body would be identical.

No idea how a shapechanger gets rid of mass though I do note that both LTW and River retained their mass in shapechanging in PT and BG, so I suspect Jim hasn’t figured a convincing explanation either in his own universes rules.

One way would be to convert the mass to energy, but then you need to store that energy and then convert it back into mass, basically teleportation. BG of course contained foreshadowing Harry aging shape shifting and teleportation abilities in the future.

Notice that Goodman Grey is a corporeal being. Bob is a spirit being. We know that he and Evil Bob can both form bodies once they are in the Never-Never, but not once do they do it in reality.

I think manifesting a body requires a link to reality that only corporeal beings innately possess. Ghosts possess the link because they were once alive and summoned beings get it thru their summoner. Spirits just don't have the required innate link.

Even the greater powers are limited in this way. The Fallen need their Coins and hosts and even Uriel only became solid after investing his abilities in Michael.

And it has to be this way. Otherwise, some minor wizard/warlock/witch would accidentally open a portal to the Never-Never and things would come pouring out.

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I think Binder summons spirits.
When they "die," they leave behind corpses that dissolve completely to ectoplasm.

Binder is a summoner. Summoned beings are given their bodies thru the summons, they don't manifest in reality without being called.

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I don't believe he can.

I don't think any spirits except for ghosts have ever formed an ectoplasmic body on their own. And even the ghosts need to be "insane." Every other entity that has been seen so far, that has formed an ectoplasmic body was either summoned or is still corporeal and uses the ectoplasm for shape changing purposes.

It makes sense though. Otherwise, the world would be a far more dangerous place.

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