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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry is a Dad...Again..😳
« on: June 30, 2024, 02:53:11 PM »
It happens when they are rescuing Thomas.

Lara is doubly surprised because Harry wasn't protected when they sparred with staves the day before but burns her after they strip to descend the dumbwaiter shaft and brush elbows. Lara immediately guesses that he was with Murphy and congratulates him. Harry gets a boost because it confirms to him that the thing with Murphy is real.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry is a Dad...Again..😳
« on: June 28, 2024, 12:12:53 AM »
We know that -- as of the end of Ghost Story -- Thomas & Justine regularly removed the protection (or, if the theory of a Nemesis-fueled pseudo-protection is correct:  Justine pretended to remove a protection that was never there).

Does seem kind of odd to anyone else that Thomas would be regularly visiting the Svartalves to sate his Hunger, when he & Justine have a very-workable solution at home...?

Maybe it's just that -- as with Connie Barrowill & Irwin Pounder -- a powerful nonhuman is simply a method he's using to eat deeply & satisfy the Hunger without killing a mortal.  But still, something "feels off" to me, in this.

Convenience probably. The arrangement with the Svartalves removes the need to search for human partners though there's no indication one way or another that they stopped using them. Thomas feeding from a number of sources looks more normal to other WC vampires also, so less threat to Justine from that angle.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months stuck?
« on: June 28, 2024, 12:06:44 AM »
And progress is up to 60%.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry is a Dad...Again..😳
« on: June 27, 2024, 02:01:50 PM »
Thinking back, we don't actually know that Thomas has the protection, just that Justine does.

Justine burns Thomas and Madeleine, but Madeleine is not burned by Thomas. After Ghost Story and Cold Days, he regularly visited the Svartalves, so if he had it, it was frequently removed. He certainly does not burn Lara on the trip to Demonreach in Peace Talks. Perhaps the protection does not protect WC vampires.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Have there been any . . .
« on: June 26, 2024, 04:07:44 PM »
We know they can wear the four, Mother, Queen, Lady, Knight, but it cannot be assumed without evidence that it is true for the other mantles.

Since we know that some can be worn, it's safer to believe that others can be also. Unless you have evidence that states that these mantles are special. They very well could be, but in absence of the statement of a special case, then we should apply the general rule.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry is a Dad...Again..😳
« on: June 26, 2024, 04:01:51 PM »
Did she?  Or can Nemesis mimic true love so that Thomas would truly believe she loved him? Still doesn't answer the question as to why it took years before they figured out that if she simply had a one night stand with somebody they could consummate their true love?  He is a White Court Vamp, she has been kine for years, they both know how the protection gig works.  I mean, forgive me I don't remember which book, but I remember the scene in a night club, Thomas and Justine were there, she is wearing some kind of rubber suit so he can have his arm around her without burning..  Why the elaborate work around when a meaningless one night stand would do the trick? Years went by between Blood Rites and Ghost Story when we finally see Justine coming home with a girl friend to have sex supposedly in front of Thomas so she and Thomas can then make love?  Really? Why did she have to bring her friend home? Couldn't she just have told Thomas?  I mean he'd know fairly quickly if her protection was still there.  This is also the time when supposedly Harry is dead, but what if through Nemesis, Justine knows he really isn't, that as Winter Knight his star born status will soon be asserting itself in the coming years.. So it's time to begin part two of the plan, set Thomas up for the events in Peace Talks.. Why? Thomas is one of Harry's weaknesses, also divide and distract while they mount an attack at the Gates.

If they were truly in love, then they wanted to be faithful to each other. So, there would be no lovers that the others didn't know and approve of. And though it wouldn't be very difficult to arrange, it would still be a pain to have to find a third every time they wanted to have sex. They probably did know that this was a solution but didn't want to resort to it.

I don't remember the random jogger, but Thomas never had intercourse with any of his hair clients and so no physical act there. Jim tends to favor the mechanical over the metaphysical in most of these situations. Harry still loved Susan after hooking up with Luccio, but his protection was broken nonetheless.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months stuck?
« on: June 24, 2024, 02:19:06 PM »
It could be something quite simple.

Twelve Months is an unplanned book. It's not in the decades long outline that Jim uses for the rest of the Dresden Files. He may just need more time to tidy up the flow of the story and to keep it reconciled with continuity.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry is a Dad...Again..😳
« on: June 24, 2024, 02:15:32 PM »
Unfortunately, the true love protection can be invalidated by force.

In Turncoat, Madeline threatens to kidnap Justine and use her powers to have her have sex with a random partner so that she can then devour her. Thomas takes this very seriously and proceed to beat the brakes off her, so we know this is a valid threat.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Harry is a Dad...Again..😳
« on: June 15, 2024, 01:57:13 PM »
I do not think that is possible. Changes, Ghost Story and Cold Days are the books I reread the less, so I may be misremembering, but I think Harry made a clause that Mab cannot just ordering him around. No puppeteer. And for Murphy Harry will have the will power to resist the mantle or whatever. Marrying someone for political reasons can be argued as a part of the WK obligations, but I do not think that includes being raped. And being forced to have sex unwillingly is rape. Also, if Mab forced him to do something like that, Harry would be rebellious all the way, useless to her.

But even more important, I think Mab is not aware of the protection. Once (if) she realizes that is the case, she won't force Harry to break it. She has shown respect for Murphy and for Harry's feelings about her.

And yes, your scenario for Harry evading the wedding is quite probable.

Having just reread Changes, Mab can order Harry into bed with someone. The only condition he set was that she does not command him to raise his hand against his loved ones. But I don't think she wants to force him. As she said at the end of Battle Ground, she has buried many lovers, but the fight must be fought still. In her roundabout, tough love fae way, Mab is telling him to grieve, but to get back on the horse. She is probably aware of the protection, but expects Harry, Lara and Molly to figure a way around it especially since Harry works better when given a task and allowed to complete it in his own manner.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Have there been any . . .
« on: June 14, 2024, 05:28:10 AM »
We know that mortals can wear Winterfae mantles, otherwise there'd be no queens. The willpower factor is just how much control over the mantle they can exert and how much humanity they retain.

Michael would be the best option for Kringle though.

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DF Spoilers / Re: WAG - Justine's not really pregnant
« on: June 02, 2024, 02:26:16 AM »
Everything Justine says & does is obviously suspect.

But I think whampires have a very very different perspective on sex & love than the rest of us.

My whole issue with that scene from the end of Ghost Story is that bypassing the restrictions of "True Love" should be part of "Whampire 101" training that they all get after first kill but before they strike out on their own.  Thomas should have already known all that.

Thomas didn't want to be unfaithful to Justine. He probably knew the workaround but didn't bring it up because that might have hurt her or at least undermined her confidence.

And there is a chance that he didn't know it. Falling in love with a mortal is probably not a widely discussed topic in White Court society. (Hmmn, what happens if two White Court vampires fall in love?)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Twelve Months - What our you expecting from it?
« on: May 22, 2024, 12:53:40 AM »
And that's the nitty gritty of  what I am talking about.. Where is the plan, what is the plan?

The plan is to win, to stop the Outsiders from breaching the Outer Gates and destroying our reality. To that end, Mab is forming whatever alliances she can, making webs of contingency plans, recruiting and training any potentially useful agents she finds and maintaining a diligent watch for any Outsider activity, whether direct or through agents.

Given the scope of what Mab has going and overriding need for security, she has to keep her plans secret until action time. And the world can still throw her curveballs like Ethniu. Jim can't possibly do anything to spell out all of Mab's plans in detail without doubling the page count with boring exposition. And she's not the narrator, so we'd be treated to chapter after chapter of Mab explaining things which is totally out of her character.

As far as Harry being WK, He got the job in Changes and took his side quest in GS. The four books since have been Harry doing WK jobs.

Mab doesn't think Molly is ready to be Queen, but is happy with her as the Lady.

Harry used the Placard and the Knife to good effect in BG. Maybe he'll use the Shroud next, perhaps to cure Thomas?

Since Changes, Thomas has fought his trauma from the Nagloshii, dealt with the grief of Harry's death by himself, become a potential father, been blackmailed by his possessed true love/child's mother into attempting to assassinate the leader of an Accorded Nation and imprisoned in supernatural Alcatraz. His life has been almost as eventful as Harry's.

We've got 8 or 9 books left, if we didn't have dangling plotlines to resolve, we be getting all new issues without the built-up investment to hold our interest. There's plenty of time.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Carlos and Chandler's mentors
« on: April 18, 2024, 04:14:11 AM »
Jim would definitely do that.
But speaking of what Jim would do. I see Jim making Harry the leader of a new council. And the Harry having to realise that no matter how hard you try someone will always fail through the cracks Especially when youaredealing with the whole world. It would destroy Harry to have togive the kill the crazy  warlock order.6

Harry is perfectly capable of killing the black magic crazed warlocks, but he would want to give a shot at rehabilitation to all the border cases. He thinks the council should make an effort to save those who are not far gone, and he'd argue for lifting the Doom for their trainers. Setting up a central lor several regional schools and requiring Council members to staff them for a set term would at least give them a chance to save the next generation.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Carlos and Chandler's mentors
« on: April 16, 2024, 03:38:03 AM »
That seems more like something the Archive would do; I think the magic-knowledge there (everything ever written down about magic) is probably the most comprehensive in the world; though it's very possible that an Immortal being (like Thorned Namshiel) may know a bunch of stuff that never got written down.

But Harry is too ignorant of magic:  he's got more than a century of serious study before the senior wizards will take his knowledge-level seriously... and he doesn't have time to learn, before the BAT.

I wasn't thinking of it as a teaching role but more of police function or even a position similar to Mab's but covering magic. Harry would get a limited Intellectus to warn him of major magical threats and events and have the newly formed Wardens as enforcers and the Paranet as the administrative and education arms of his new council/court.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Carlos and Chandler's mentors
« on: April 15, 2024, 09:16:40 PM »
My two cents, my headcanon for Harry's future existence revolves the original m,"conjure by it at your own peril." In reciting his full name. But to do so probably foolish unless it's in his shtick.. is he becomes something conjurable.

Now that is a theory worth exploring.

What if at the end of the BAT, Harry becomes a new mantle like an Archmagus that governs or at least regulates magic in the Mortal Realms?

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