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What if Eb is 100% correct about everything?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on July 28, 2020, 01:53:24 AM ---Also Blood Rites.
I've wondered if Eb was right about everything ever since someone posted that Eb should have better explained to Harry why he hated WCVs so much. It reminded me of arguments about Harry should have better explained to Kim Delaney and Susan the dangers of the greater circle and the vampire party.
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They seem alike but they are not, because the motivation is so different. The big one is family, for a long time Thomas was Harry's only family, his brother, and he behaved as a brother. So Harry isn't going to be rational about the dangers of the vamps. He should have told Eb earlier who Thomas was, now is a bit late. Eb should have been honest with Harry from the time he first came to live with him as a sixteen year old kid.. Being Blackstaff and his "orders" concerning Harry I am sure had a lot to do with it, but I wonder how much of that was merely an excuse?
vultur:
Well, Eb can't literally be 100% correct, because we have a Thomas POV in "Backup" - Thomas has lied to Harry about things before, but we do know he actually cares about Harry and is not just playing a long game.
But I think Eb has a pretty good point about the White Court in general - Lara even admits in PT that they can't completely control their Hunger. They are not safe beings to hang around with, even if they don't actually have bad intentions toward you, especially if you might end up looking like prey.
The mind control thing... I dunno. It certainly could be, but it doesn't feel right to me. I kind of think that with the things he learned in GS and CD about the soul and self, identity, will etc., Harry wouldn't be as vulnerable to that sort of thing as he was before dying and being reborn. But I don't really have much to base that on.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on July 29, 2020, 07:58:28 AM ---The whole point is that they are very good at getting humans to let their guard down. It's not all come hithers and mental whammys. They only seem to be that obvious because when it comes to mortals that's easy for them. But in terms of the long game, I think Harry underestimates them.
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I dunno. Lara is really politically competent in ways outside her specific magical powers, and now that she leads the Court, their strategy reflects that.
Thomas isn't really a "long game" mastermind, though from Backup he's probably a bit better at being indirect and thinking things through than Harry (before SG, anyway).
The Skavis/Malvora opposition in WN is pretty unimpressive, and their plan isn't much good (IMO Cowl was playing them all along, I don't think they were actually intended to succeed.)
And the other Raiths (not Thomas/Lara) who show up in TC aren't particularly impressive.
BrainFireBob:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 29, 2020, 09:46:18 AM ---He probably has more. He knows what his mother’s death curse did for example. He has seen club zero for what it is. Ebenezer probably does not know about the true love protection either. Because of the illusion and what was told he thought Harry was making out with Lara and that triggered an even more violent reaction.He is probably racist with all things not human. There is a racist streak in the white council though it is not just based on some superficial colorings.He must have a serious reason to take the risk but he is prepared to do so. Probably because he was a warlock himself. A white court vampire is not that different from a highly specialized warlock.
But they have all killed.You can always Think so but he also is always on his guard with them. He just is not in a place we’re he can always avoid them.
Without patters people can not even try to predict you. But there is a reason Karin finds it much easier to predict Harry than Nicodemus does.
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The interesting predictive character is Mavra, who appears to get Harry very well.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 29, 2020, 06:02:56 AM ---Harry knows exactly how dangerous the white court is but he thinks Thomas is worth fighting for despite the risk just like Molly was worth fighting for. The white council is more risk averse and that is why it has strict rules about who is human and who to execute. Better safe than sorry.
But in many respects Harry is more influenced by Michael than by Ebenezer.
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If there is a central theme of the Dresden Files, I think it's all about this conflict.
I don't think racist is the right word to use when speaking of something that's not entirely human or just not human at all. Prejudiced is probably the most accurate. As in prejudging. And it's probably a pretty correct course of action, too.
--- Quote from: Mira on July 29, 2020, 10:13:30 AM ---They seem alike but they are not, because the motivation is so different. The big one is family, for a long time Thomas was Harry's only family, his brother, and he behaved as a brother. So Harry isn't going to be rational about the dangers of the vamps. He should have told Eb earlier who Thomas was, now is a bit late. Eb should have been honest with Harry from the time he first came to live with him as a sixteen year old kid.. Being Blackstaff and his "orders" concerning Harry I am sure had a lot to do with it, but I wonder how much of that was merely an excuse?
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I'm not saying they're exactly alike, but I am saying that maybe Eb is right that Harry shouldn't be as careless as he is with the WCV and no matter what Eb says, Harry isn't going to listen. Just like Harry was right and Susan and Kim wouldn't listen to Harry no matter what he said. I'm not saying Harry is ignoring Eb because he's career minded or that he thinks Eb doesn't have much more experience than him.
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