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DF Spoilers / Re: Who is the most evil character in the Dresdenverse?
« on: December 13, 2017, 01:53:59 PM »
The conceit of Urban Fantasy series is that they occur in the real world, so of course the statistics are the same- The story runs on the assumption that it happens in our world and we just don't know it (the Masquerade), so assuming that the number are negligible because the figures are the same doesn't work- eg, Tilly mentioned in Changes that the Red Court attacks described by Susan sound like the Mexican Cartels, because in the DF, the Red Court runs the Cartels. Saying that the statistics being the same proves the a non-factor is akin to saying that because WW1 happened IRL, the story is wrong and Kemmler wasn't really behind it in the DF.

I disagree entirely.  If the DV didn't have the same things that cause  real world disappearances, or had less of them, I would be willing to consider this interpretation, but the evidence is that it does.

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2) A Symbiotic relationship would imply mutual benefits. There is no mutual benefits with the Red Court. The areas they controlled had people trained to act as walking juice boxes from a young age via indoctrination and drug addiction.

And you don't see the possibility of, say, being taken care of in exchange for a blood donation a month, as better than, for example, living in the middle of something like the civil war in the Congo?

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3) It is literally impossible for the Red Court to reproduce via anything other than murder. It's a fact of their Biology. Why is it that you seem to place a higher right-to-life to the Red Court then to their Victims?

I don't.  I do, however, for the reasons I have listed, believe their reproduction is slow and costs very few lives compared to many other concerns in the DV, and therefor I assign those other concerns higher priority.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Other Future Dresden works rumor thread
« on: December 13, 2017, 01:48:54 PM »
Well, to be fair; Harry does name her pretty fast after she is introduced. That kinda is a habit with him.

True.

But we have never seen anything else strike Kincaid as creepy, so I incline to read that as significant.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Unsolved Mystery Book11 Shaggy snacks
« on: December 13, 2017, 02:22:47 AM »
I would try to figure out a way to make modest money with minimal effort.

I suspect the biggest temptation to what counts as black magic in the DV for me would be getting my damned upstairs neighbours to quieten down.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Unsolved Mystery Book12 Members only cloaks
« on: December 13, 2017, 02:20:38 AM »
Many supporters of Harry, I think, were incarcarated by Cristos.

I feel like I am completing a bingo card of my favourite things we have no real evidence for, today. 

I strongly suspect Peace Talks will resolve my conviction that the apparent incapacitation of the White Council through disease and internal conflict during Changes is all made up to manipulate Harry to take more desperate measures in seeking support, but I reserve the right to believe in it until and unless it is textually confirmed wrong.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Unsolved Mystery Book12 Members only cloaks
« on: December 13, 2017, 02:17:14 AM »
Because when you want someone. You want them around you all the time.

..gosh, some people are way less introverted than me.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Unsolved Mystery Book12 Members only cloaks
« on: December 13, 2017, 02:16:23 AM »
I believe that, based on their "on screen" interactions, Arthur would not put himself under Ebenezar's lead. 

I'll find that convincing when they have similar interactions without knowing Harry is witnessing them.  Everything we see between them works equally well as competent plausible deniability for me.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Unsolved Mystery Book12 Members only cloaks
« on: December 13, 2017, 02:14:22 AM »
We don't laugh at people here; we laugh with people.

We laugh near people.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Unsolved Mystery Book12 Members only cloaks
« on: December 13, 2017, 02:13:38 AM »
I think the Grey Council would go counter to what Arthur is pushing in the White Council, so I don't think he's in it.

The guy always has three plans, a main plan, a back-up and an ace in the hole.

Everything he is pushing in the White Council being the main plan and the Grey Council being his backup, in general, works for me.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Other Future Dresden works rumor thread
« on: December 13, 2017, 02:11:13 AM »
She would have had a human personality no matter what.  That's part of the tragedy of her story.

I do not believe this; there is no evidence at all for one being there before Harry Names her.

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DF Spoilers / Re: The one character that you wish hadn't died
« on: December 13, 2017, 02:09:55 AM »
It was not at his dead bed, it was at the beginning of the book. It was clear that they both got a better understanding of each other during the years and that understanding was won the hard way, not with a sudden soul gaze or so.

All of which would have worked far better for me without Morgan's dying statement.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who is the most evil character in the Dresdenverse?
« on: December 13, 2017, 02:08:07 AM »
Regardless how weak the council really was it was looking weak and it was acting weak and that attracts vultures.

Changes demonstrates how "weak" the Council actually was, when it came to choosing to go on the offensive.  In that situation the  Red Court lasts a matter of days.

They have the strength to match a position of confidence.  Refraining from genocide in the interest of a peaceful solution and restoring what had previously been established as centuries of co-existence is not looking weak, it is demonstrating that they are law-abiding members of the supernatural community.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who is the most evil character in the Dresdenverse?
« on: December 13, 2017, 02:04:14 AM »
Yes, they could do so, if both parties desired it.  But the Red Court intended war no matter what, they were simply looking for a way to pretend to be the aggrieved party.  Under those conditions, there was no peace option.

I do not believe they intended war no matter what, because they have waited centuries for the right option*.  It's not about pretending to be the aggrieved party, it's about actually being the aggrieved party under the letter of Mab's Accords, because as we see repeatedly, not respecting those gets you killed.  That they manipulated Harry into breaking that law does not matter; we also see over and over that with Faerie the letter of the law matters and the spirit is immaterial.

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There was a 'delay hostilities' option, and if the Council was using that time to prepare, it might even be a defensible option.

Looking at their relative capacities to increase their strength, the White Council pre-DB would need to carry out minimal recruiting to remain ahead in this arms race.

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But there's no evidence that the Peabody-influenced Senior Council would have even realized the difference.

I beg leave to doubt that also.

If Harry had not burned Bianca's place, but had told Eb that the Red Court were trying to manipulate a casus belli, how do you think Eb would have reacted ?

*Either that or they had actually been willing to live peacefully and something changed relatively recently.  In which case it is the something that changed that is the problem, not the existence of the Red Court, and Ortega was a prime ally to have thrown away.  (Or, as I believe, will be a prime ally when it becomes clear that recreating the Red Court is an essential part of preserving reality and he comes out of hiding.)

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who is the most evil character in the Dresdenverse?
« on: December 13, 2017, 01:57:11 AM »
Which is not unreasonable when talking about human conflict. But this is the Red Court. They literally can only exist, thrive, and propogate through murder and slavery.

The numbers I quote above seem to me to indicate that murder is not actually a thing they do as a general policy.  Nor am I entirely convinced that slavery rather than symbiosis is impossible for them; Ortega at least clearly thinks in terms of sustainability for his food supply.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Who is the most evil character in the Dresdenverse?
« on: December 12, 2017, 01:40:57 AM »
Maybe I over-simplify things; but, I believe the best way to end a war is to kill the enemy. It ain't nice but it would seem to be effective.

Growing up next to a conflict that that sort of attitude had been prolonging for centuries has made me extremely unsympathetic to that as a position, and to fiction which presents it as an acceptable solution.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Book 19 rumor thread
« on: December 12, 2017, 01:38:31 AM »
So, does the Secret Service need to keep more eyes on Mel Gibson? :P

People don't recognise Waiting for the Galactic Bus quotes these days? O tempora o mores.

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