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Sorry, I couldn't resist trolling this topic.  No way is the subject line going to happen.  I would probably give up on the series if Jim did something that lame.

What I really want is everyone's opinion about what will happen with Rudolph.  Did he already confess to killing Murphy?  (Actually, he did.  Butters was there when Rudolph was still holding the gun and he said, "Wait. Wait. I didn't mean...")  Did he confess it to anyone else?  Will Harry publicly accuse Rudolph of murder?  (It's pretty rare, but a few people have been convicted of murder without a body as proof that a murder occurred.)  Will Harry be charged with attempted murder?  He did mess Rudolph up pretty badly and he was trying to kill him.  Will Rudolph be held up by either local politicians or the Chicago PD as a hero who fought off the terrorists?  If Rudolph hasn't confessed, who could get him to confess and how would they do it?  Will Harry forgive Rudolph?

I would have done this as a poll, but I think there are too many possibilities to make that work.  It will be interesting to see if anyone can correctly guess where Jim will go with this character.   

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Exactly who was watching Justine and why?

We know Lara had her people watching Justine.  That makes sense.
Harry hired Goodman Grey to watch Justine.  That makes sense.
People from the Chicago PD and the local FBI office were watching Justine.  Why?

Goodman Grey told Harry that Agent Tilly wasn’t involved; as far as he good see, but it was people from the same local FBI office.  Could these FBI agents have been doing surveillance for the benefit of the Librarian’s?  I imagine these “Men in Black” are small in number and might occasionally need help from other more traditional Federal agencies, but that’s just a guess.

That still doesn’t tell us why the Librarians or any mortal agency would be interested in Justine.  Someone would have to have some pretty detailed records about the White Court to want to put surveillance on her or at least know that she was Thomas Raith’s lover and that he was involved in a hit of a major supernatural power.
 
However, that knowledge could only come from someone well connected within the supernatural community.  So not someone like the Alphas or most paraneters, with the exception of Paranoid Gary.  It could have come from within any of the major powers, but that doesn’t tell us why someone in the know would share that information with mortals.  However, for the sake of argument let’s say someone traded this information with the Librarians.  What about the Chicago PD?

My guess is that whoever started the investigation against Harry and Murphy was the same group or person who put Chicago PD personnel to watch Justine, but why?  She had nothing to do with the break in at Marcone’s bank.  Originally, I thought that whoever was working for the Outsiders was behind Rudolph and his partner, but why would HWWBs put surveillance on itself?  This suggests another party is involved.  Just a guess, but we haven’t heard anything about the late Wizard Peabody’s partner; the one whose presence Harry felt on Demonreach, since Turn Coat.  Whoever was responsible, it doesn't explain how they gained enough influence within the Chicago PD to get the investigation started.
 
These are just rough guesses.  They are not even deeply worked out WAG’s. 


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DF Spoilers / Whose the backup plan for...? - Battle Ground Spoiler
« on: October 09, 2020, 02:18:53 AM »
"I meant Sarissa to take Maeve's place," Mab said. "But one does not place all one's hopes with any one place, person, or plan. Like chess, the superior player does not plan to accomplish a single gambit, a particular entrapment. She establishes her pieces so that regardless of what her enemy does, she has forces ready to respond, to adapt, and to destroy. Molly was made ready as a contingency."

Near the end of BG Harry meets the third walker, He Who Walks Besides.  The Walker also refers to itself as Nemesis.  I don't want to get into whether HWWBs is Nemesis or the three Walkers are all aspects of Nemesis.  That's something for future books to sort out.  No, I'm interested in who is going to confront Nemesis.  From our perspective, because Harry is Starborn and has the ability to wield power over the Outsiders; according to Lash, and may be immune to being taken over by Outsiders; if Ebenezer is correct, he seems like Mab's primary choice to deal with Nemesis. 

We don't know what the White Council wanted Starborn Harry for.  Maybe it's the Outsiders, but it could be something else entirely.  It's possible there are multiple roles a Starborn mortal can fill.  However, the Big Boss of the entire series appears to be Nemesis.  But all you have to do is read the statement I highlighted above to know that Mab has a contingency plan, or maybe it's contingency plans, for dealing with Nemesis and the Outsider threat. 

I should also add that Harry is the primary Outsider solution, from our prospective.  It's possible that Harry is Mab's contingency plan, but that doesn't matter.  For ease of understanding, I'm going to stick with with the idea that Harry is primary.  So, who is the backup or who is Mab's contingency plan?

The only other Starborn characters we know who are walking around are Elaine, Listen and Drakul.  Somehow, I'm not seeing Drakul as the savior of the human race.  In fact, in his final conversation with Lash, Harry makes an intuitive guess that there's relationship between the Outsiders and the Black Court.  Then again, maybe the Outsiders taking over our reality would destroy Drakul's food supply so the creature might have a reason to oppose the Outsiders.  Somehow I doubt that.  If Listen is still alive, which seems doubtful after Harry buried him under a wall of dirt, he might be a candidate, but I'm just not feeling it.  If Elaine had appeared in more than two books, I think she could have been an alternative to Harry, but she seems like a character who has been pushed so far to the sidelines as to be irrelevant.  I'm sure that Jim will drag her back into the limelight at some point, and we still have to find out if she is Kumori and, or she was responsible for infecting Aurora, but as the being who will defeat Nemesis; well, there's nothing there to indicate she has the ability to do so.

Many of us suspect Nicodemus Archleone has his own plan to defeat the Outsiders.  (I don't think it's been explicitly stated that that is the case.)  In a scene on top of Marcone's castle discussing who can defeat Ethniu, Mab opines that Nicodemus could cut through her defenses.  Mab clearly doesn't have a problem using monsters to get the job done.  Of course, Nic's plan is likely to be some kind of scorched earth strategy, but Jim has stated that Mab will sacrifice everything, including herself, to accomplish her goals.  If Nicodemus plan looks doable to Mab, she is that rare being who can put expected results ahead of personal issues, and she could always defer killing Nicodemus to a later time.
                                                   
Finally, a new contender is John Marcone.  Mab might see Marcone / Namshiel as a viable choice.  If Nicodemus has a plan to defeat Nemesis, Thorned Namshiel might already be all in on that plan.  Whether Marcone will agree with such a plan is questionable.  Marcone might balk at burning down his own empire to stop Nemesis.  However, we don't how long Marcone can remain himself.  Like Harry, Marcone is a very willful mortal, but breaking down mortals is what Namshiel and the other Denarians do and have done for millennia.

Whether Harry is Mab's primary Nemesis solution or he is her contingency plan, who do you think is Mab's other choice or choices?                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                   

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Another name for this thread was:
Battle Ground secrets - What should Harry do about them

1.  Of course, the big reveal was that Marcone is now a Knight of the Blackened Denarius.  I suppose if Butters or Sanya need to know this, their boss will point them at Marcone.  However, it seems rude for Harry to keep this knowledge to himself, especially as Butters and Sanya are friends, not someone he would have to trade favor for favor with.  Plus, it wasn’t information Harry learned in confidence, Harry doesn’t owe Marcone anything. 

You’d think Lara Raith would like to know about this, seeing that her and Marcone are rivals even if they are not outright enemies.  If Harry; as a representative of Winter, is supposed to play nice with the White Court of Vampires, it might be a piece of information he should be willing to trade with Lara, if not tell her outright.
 
Mab really, really doesn’t like Thorned Namshiel.  She knows a lot, but I wonder if she knows who Marcone’s new friend is.  All Harry would have to say to Mab is “I know who holds Thorned Namshiel’s coin” to see if Mab is interested.  She may already know, but if Mab didn’t know it would be nice trading chip for Harry to have.
   
2.  Mab sees some benefit to an alliance between Winter and the White Court. (This isn't the secret.) Somehow, I don’t think the White Council will be happy about this.  Related to this, there is an old secret Harry has kept; he knows the weakness of the White Court of Vampires.  Harry knows that Lara and every other member of the White Court (or at least House Raith) can’t feed on him; for the time being, because of his love protection. 

My feeling is this information was something Thomas told Harry in confidence.  It’s not something Harry should tell the White Council, not that they want to talk to him anyway.   Even if Harry did tell anyone on the Council, they wouldn’t believe him.  I have to admit I would like to see Harry try to explain to Eb or Carlos why Lara isn't a threat to him, especially if the arranged marriage between Harry and Lara takes place.

3.  Harry met the third Walker, HWWBsd and he knows that the Walker has possessed Justine and has done so for some time.  I thought it was interesting that Lara understood this.  She didn’t want to say the name Nemesis out loud so she’s fully clued in.  I wonder how Lara found out.  Did Harry tell her or had she known for years?  I figure Lara knew about HWWB from listening in to the encounter Harry had with her father in Blood Rites, but I don’t think the Walker’s name was said out loud.
 
The problem with this information is there is no useful way to convey it to the Swartalfs.  Harry doesn’t know if Etri knows about Nemesis and the Walkers, and even if Etri does know, Harry doesn’t have any proof he could offer in order to get the Swartalfs  to back off Thomas, assuming Thomas gets freed from Demonreach anytime soon and assuming Etri would see it as a valid reason to back off.

4.  Harry has learned that the Redcap works for Mab.  As a side note, the Redcap’s a more interesting character now, he's no longer a two-dimensional bad guy.  While I expect Harry to warn Molly at some point, my guess is that after being trained by Lea and having seen how Mab works, Molly already knows.

5. Harry knows that Listen and Drakul are also Starborn.  Maybe that's important, maybe not.  Maybe Harry can figure out a way to feed Listen to Drakul.  Drakul likes to eat Starborn.   

6. The Stars and Stones. No one seems to want to clue Harry in on what that expression means.  Outside of asking Bonea; which would probably be a really stupid and dangerous thing to do, there isn't much Harry can do with this information.  Then again, now that Harry is out of the Council where else can he go to find out?  Sooner or later Harry is going to have to tap into the well of knowledge that Bonea possesses.  Perhaps Harry will think that is the only way he can find out.  Unless, Harry can find out what Stars and Stones means in the Mirror Mirror universe.

7.  The Librarians.  OK, the bigwigs in the supernatural world know about them, but Harry had never heard of them before.  (Unless they were mentioned in a short story.  Harry briefly tangled with some men in black in one of the short stories.)  Sooner or later, Harry's going to have to meet with one or more of the Librarians.  Maybe they'll talk about the Dewey Decimal system.  Probably not.   

8.  Harry's a wolf.  Not really a secret, a lot of people call Harry a wolf.  Ebenezer, The Erlking, Mab; I mean you'd think the Alphas would be jealous seeing as they really become wolves.  I'm looking forward to see Harry howl at the moon or do some other wolf like things.
     



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The question pretty much says it all.  I still believe Chandler is a traitor.  I just want to see what everyone thinks now, even though we may not get a definitive answer for several books. 

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DF Spoilers / Dresden Files Continuity Errors – There aren’t any
« on: September 28, 2020, 05:36:00 AM »
No, the title of this thread isn’t a joke or an attempt at a clever play on words.  I’m am quite serious when say there are no continuity errors in the Dresden Files novels, many of us just think there are.  Let me also state that the idea that various discrepancies of the descriptions of things, names and events; particularly in Peace Talks, that have been pointed out by many readers, are not due to poor editing or the failure of the Beta readers to point out these discrepancies to Jim.  Let me put it another way, these things aren’t bugs in the story telling, they’re a feature.  My guess is I am not the only reader to have figured this out, just the first to put it in writing on this forum.  For all I know someone on Reddit has already laid this all out.  Also, I’m not claiming Jim has been perfect, that he hasn’t made any mistakes.  He’s human after all.  It’s just that the vast majority of any mistakes; and any deliberate retcons, are covered by what Jim has actually been doing.
 
The big clue that most of us missed; including myself, was in Skin Game.  It’s so obvious I can’t believe it took me this long to figure it out.  I’ll just quote directly from chapter 14, but skip the dialog and edit the scene a bit.  It’s the one where Harry is dreaming.  No, not the sex fantasy part of it.

“…as I caught up to the action that was happening in the dream, it would roar off in a different direction… The whole while, I was conscious of several other Harry Dresdens in the dream, all of them operating a little ways off from me, doing their own confusion dance in parallel to mine…..

Harry then talks to Molly and they discover that they are somehow communicating with each other over a vast distance while both of them are dreaming.  At this point Harry sees himself in his old car, the Blue Beetle, with Molly sitting beside him.  After the dialog ends this happens.

“… I was suddenly driving in a small herd of Blue Beetles, all of them filled with slightly different versions of Harry Dresden and Molly Carpenter.  I had to slalom the VW through them….. The traffic got worse and worse and more confusing, and then there was a loud screech of tires and twisting metal, a bright light, and a sensation of tumbling and falling in an exaggerated graceful slow motion.”

The first part of the dream sequence that I quoted uses the word parallel in it.  I don’t think that’s an accident.  This is the part of the clue that seals the deal for me.  The second part of the dream sequence; the part where all the different Harry and Molly’s are coming together and there’s a crash, that’s telling us that things are coming to a head.  Harry can’t understand this, but we can because we know that a confrontation is coming up with a Harry from a radically different universe in Mirror Mirror.  The evidence that this dream isn’t a dream at all, but our Harry’s universe coming in close proximity to the other universes, is the fact that Harry and Molly’s communication with one another is real.  They aren’t dreaming.  That means the things Harry perceives in what he thinks is a dream are also real.
 
So, to put it plainly, the Dresden Files are occurring in multiple parallel universes, at the same time.  In the ones where Harry sees “slightly different versions of Harry Dresden and Molly Carpenter,” the same major events have occurred.  Harry has wiped out the Red Court, the Fomor have risen up from the deep and are at war with the White Council and other various supernatural powers, Harry isn’t trusted by most of the White Council, Harry’s relationship with his boss Mab, is strained at the best of times and Harry’s relationship with John Marcone appears to be near the point of breaking into outright hostility.  I could list several other points of congruence, but I’m sure you get the general idea.
 
In at least one parallel world, Mort Lindquist has purchased, and lives in a home with a particular architectural style, while in another parallel universe Mort lives in a different neighborhood in a home with a different architecture style.  In either universe Harry knows Mort’s address and their interactions with one another are identical or nearly so.  In one parallel universe the Churchmice stole the Shroud of Turin for John Marcone, but Nicodemus and company stole the shroud and murdered two members of the Churchmice before Marcone could take delivery.  In another parallel universe the Churchmice were contracted by Nicodemus to steal the Shroud of Turin, but Marcone offered them more money so they headed to Chicago and Nicodemus murdered two of them in return.  In at least one universe the Chicago anti-Fomor alliance calls themselves The Brighter Future Society while in another universe they call their alliance The Better Future Society.  In at least one of the worlds with a Better Future Society, Harry had never been to Marcone’s castle in the flesh before Peace Talks, because the meeting between Marcone and Mab that took place in Skin Game occurred at a different Marcone property or possibly at Mac’s or even Arctis Tor.  It doesn’t matter where that meeting took place, as long as it wasn’t at the castle and it was a place that Harry could discover and go to.  I could go on, but you’re probably getting worn out by now.

I think you can see how Jim making the story flow through multiple parallel universes also neatly explains likely retcons, such as Harry’s ability to use a wind spell to literally fly up from the lower floor of Victor Sells home to the second floor and make a nice landing in Storm Front, to Harry saying in a later book that flying spells are extremely dangerous and a thing he learned to avoid after trying to create a flying broom.  In one universe Harry can fly, at least a little.
 
Finally, I said that parallel universes can cover most mistakes, but I didn’t say they could cover every mistake.  I don’t know if this final example I will pull from Peace Talks is a mistake, but it appears to me that even a parallel universe doesn’t entirely fix its problems.  Ramirez used a dot of magical ink to track Harry to the Raith Estate.  While it’s possible that in one universe Harry and Ramirez shook hands instead of bumping fists; and this allowed Carlos the ability stick the ink spot on Harry’s wrist, in either universe Butters should have washed the dot away when he cleaned and debrided the wounds on Harry’s hands.  I’m not saying it’s impossible to find an explanation that makes the magical ink stick and not be noticed by Butters; and do so in both universes, but the more complicated the explanation the less believable it becomes.
 
One minor thing to note.  While it’s possible we will see some evidence to back up my analysis in Battle Ground, I don’t expect to be fully vindicated until Mirror Mirror comes out.

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DF Spoilers / Rudolph's evidence doesn't make sense
« on: September 21, 2020, 05:17:01 PM »
Obviously, there is a rational reason why Jim has Rudolph reappearing and going after Harry and Karin.  However, there are things Rudolph and his partner say and things that happened that don't make sense.  When Rudolph and his partner showed up they mentioned the murder of the accountant, but not the murder of Marcone's employee, just that a bank was robbed.  OK, maybe they're using the old trap of not mentioning key elements of a crime in order to allow the suspect to trap themselves by mentioning that element.  But there are other anomalies as well.

They have a photo of Murphy speeding down a Chicago street and Rudolph's partner knows that her injuries were deliberately inflicted by an unknown party.  So, what!?  As evidence it doesn't connect to either crime.  Murphy had left the abandoned slaughter house and was driving after Butters and Harry.  That doesn't connect her to Harry coming out of the bank or to the murder of the accountant.  There was reported gang activity near by.  I suppose those were Binder's summoned creatures chasing after Butters.  Again, it's nothing that can be connected to Murphy.   

They have one clear photo of Harry running down a street near where Harvey's body was found.  Running by himself?  When did that occur?  Harry was dragging Harvey around with him the entire time.  The only time Harry ran by himself was when he was chasing after Butters. 

What happened to the bodies of the four dead ghouls?  I think Rudolph should have said there were five murders, the four dead ghouls; who would have been identified as humans, and Harvey.  Did Harry open a way to the Nevernever and drag the bodies of the ghouls to the other side and dump them there?  That would have left a huge amount of blood on the floor that wasn't Harvey's.  Remember that Goodman Grey sliced two of the ghouls up when he killed them.  Harry smashed the frozen bodies of the other two ghouls into frozen bloody chunks.  The DNA wouldn't have been Harry or Harvey's either.  All that blood would have pointed to a fight with multiple parties involved.  Finally, Harry hit Tessa hard enough to splatter bits of ichor from her onto the floor.  That could contain her DNA as well.

Not an anomaly, but Harry has one thing going for him in the investigation of Harvey's murder that he hasn't considered.  Harvey's body was discovered several days after his murder.  That means there wouldn't have been a way to pinpoint the accountant's time of death.  Goodman Grey pretended to be Harvey the rest of the day.  Just a single phone call that Grey took or visitor he met while pretending to be Harvey would push back the estimated time of Harvey's death.  A picture of Harry running down the street where Harvey died that was taken at 12 noon isn't evidence against Harry if Grey took a phone call or met a visitor after that time.  This would be highly likely for a high level financial consultant.  Harry just needs to talk to Goodman Grey to find the exculpatory evidence he needs.

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DF Spoilers / The Fomor already unleashed ... Battle Ground Chapters 1 & 2
« on: September 02, 2020, 01:02:56 AM »
Well that started off with a bang, but there wasn't much there to suggest where the story is heading.  (Other than it's going to be bloody.)  However, I do have to say that seeing
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I don't know about anyone else, but after hearing Jim say that Peace Talks was going to contain a very high level of supernatural violence, I was somewhat disappointed by the amount of action we got in the first book.  It looks like Battle Ground may make up for that decided lack of action, though at the same time I hope that Harry will soon get the time he needs to start thinking like a detective, and to start acting rather than just reacting. 

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I think the title pretty much says it all.  I can't see Mavra, Elaine or Drakul showing up, though I suppose anything is possible.  If Cowl is on the scene I hope he doesn't remain hidden during the entire story.  I recall Jim stating that Cowl had been hidden in background of other stories and I don't want to hear after the fact that it happened again.

I suppose that I'm not so much hoping that any of the characters that I named above show up, as much as I'm hoping there will be a place in Battle Ground for the Archive to do something interesting.  It was something of a letdown for Harry to see Ivy in Peace Talks and not have her be a part of the story.  If Ivy does start to play an important role I will start wondering if Kinkade will make an appearance, but first things first.

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DF Spoilers / Is Peabody's partner at the Peace Talks? (My guess)
« on: August 14, 2020, 01:54:47 AM »
Back in Turn Coat, Harry realized that Peabody had a partner with him on Demonreach Island, someone who was never identified.  Harry didn't even tell Ebenezer he knew this for a fact.  Ebenezer thought it was just speculation on Harry's part.  So, we know it can't be Ebenezer, LTW, Ancient Mai or any of the older wardens who were with them.  As possible suspects who are at the talks that leaves Martha Liberty, Cristos and the younger wardens.

We know next to nothing about Martha Liberty so there's nothing that really points to her.  She once said of Harry to Ebenezer, "You know what he was meant to be?"  That's such a vague comment it doesn't mean anything in this context.  Cristos looks more like a dupe than a serious player, so unless he's just playing stupid I don't think it's him.  More important, Ebenezer warned Harry that he is likely to be betrayed by someone he trusts and that sure isn't Gregori Cristos.  Of course, it might be argued that Ebenezer unwittingly betrayed Harry by the way he acted on the dock, but he wasn't the person who was with Peabody.  (Also, it would kill my WAG; make that educated guess, so it totally can't be Eb.)  That leaves the younger wardens, Harry's closest friends on the White Council and the members who actually look up to Harry.  (or at least they used to) 

Now it's possible that in Battle Ground some White Council reinforcements might arrive, but I can't think of any of them that Harry particularly trusts.  I'm guessing that Rashid will remain at the Outer Gates with Mab and Harry doesn't trust the Merlin or Ancient Mai; in fact, Harry would be looking for a sucker punch of some kind from Arthur Langtry.  I know I left out Anastasia Luccio, but after one of the wardens (I think it was Chandler) said that Luccio had ordered them to keep an eye on Harry, I don't think Harry would be too trusting of her either.  Plus, the mind whammy she had been under would always be in the back of Harry's mind.   

So, if the second traitor is at the Peace Talks I'm guessing it is one of the young wardens.  The natural suspect is Carlos Ramirez.  He's the one we know best and the one that Harry probably trusts, or trusted, the most.  Actually, Harry might be angry with Ramirez and company, but he probably still believes that they're all good guys, even if they don't particularly trust Harry at the moment.  Carlos told Harry that he voted to retain him in the White Council, which is exactly what someone who wanted to keep or regain Harry's trust would say.  We also know that Carlos is suffering, I'll just call it PTSD, after his near deadly encounter with Molly.  However, that incident occurred long after the events on Demonreach.  It's not something we can use to tie him to Peabody. 

So my guess is that Carlos Ramirez is a red herring and the real traitor is Warden Chandler.  He's the warden who went most out of his way to play good cop when the wardens stopped Harry outside the Raith compound.  Of the younger wardens, he's the one who is most trusted by the Senior Council and probably the one most trusted by Captain Luccio, because she's his boss and probably the person who assigned him to guard duty outside the Edinburgh complex.  A traitor wouldn't want to be working a territory in the field (unless it's a key area) if they could avoid it, they would do everything they could to put themselves near the seat of power and that fits Chandler, perfectly.  Finally, Chandler is also the warden who didn't get himself locked up during the events in Changes.  Exactly what a smart spy would do.

I'm discounting Warden's Wild Bill and Yoshimo because we don't know very much about them.  We've seen Harry talk to Wild Bill on the phone and I think Yoshimo made an appearance in Dead Beat, and both wardens were in one of the short stories. (War Cry, I believe.)  We haven't seen either of them build up any degree of trust with Harry.  Now I'm going to have to go back and reread every conversation Harry has had with Chandler.  If there are any clues they're going to be really minor ones, but I won't be surprised if there aren't any.  Anyway that's my guess, what do you think?

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DF Spoilers / Possible reasons why Thomas attacked Mr. Etri
« on: August 13, 2020, 12:42:18 AM »
Can you come up with an alternative scenario?  Do you think that one of the named options or something very similar occurred, but somehow Mab, Ebenezer or even Justine is part of the equation, perhaps as a third party pushing Thomas or offering him protection if he took the offer.

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So corner hounds; A.K.A. the Hounds of Tindalos, are attracted by time travelers.  However, Ebenezer told Harry that, "Someone just whistled them up."  So someone summoned them.  My guess is the practitioner would have just summoned Outsiders in general and the corner hounds responded because Ebenezer had been doing some recent time travel.  An alternative is Ebenezer crossed paths with another practitioner (Black Council) who followed Ebenezer back to Harry's present, or sent his current self a message, and this person specifically called up the corner hounds to target Ebenezer.  I think that alternative is too complicated; after all these books aren't called the Ebenezer chronicles, so there's no need for that level of complication.

So, either someone like Cowl called up the corner hounds; even if Cowl never makes a public appearance in Battle Ground, or someone who was a part of the White Council contingent to the peace talks, called them in.

I'm not taking a position on this question.  We don't have a significant positive clue to point either way.  However, there is one odd thing that I would call a negative clue.  (I know there are other, more accurate terms than positive and negative clues, but I can't think of what they are at the moment.) 

To get to the point, why didn't Warden Ramirez notice that one of Harry's hands had been bandaged since he had seen him on the beach that morning?  I'm thinking that after Harry had punched a gas tank and had the wound or wounds on the hand debrided, Butter's would have used something a hell of a lot larger than a couple of band-aids to cover them.

It may be a clue the Ramirez already knew that Harry had tangled with corner hounds and had injured his hand or it could be sloppy writing on Jim's part.  I wonder if any of the beta readers noticed this?  Yes, I know that Ramirez and company were preoccupied with Harry's visit to the Raith compound, but Harry's hand should have been noticeable.  In fact, any of the other wardens should have noticed Harry recently bandaged hand and asked him about it.  Hell, Lara should have asked Harry about it.  Even if; one, the guilty party didn't see that Harry injured his hand, or; two, none of the wardens are guilty of calling up the corner hounds, they should have noticed Harry's wounded hand.  Harry explaining that he had tangled with outsiders a few hours earlier would have added an interesting complication to that conversation.

While I'm at it, shouldn't Harry have mentioned the corner hounds at the security meeting with the other wardens before the dinner?  Aside from discussing the possibility of other assassination attempts after Etri was attacked, the fact that Outsiders had been called up by an unknown party should have made that meeting more than a, "boring all-business meeting" as was stated at the beginning of chapter 19.

I hate saying this, but this is another indication to me that the process of splitting the story into two books took time and effort away from finding and fixing the errors or weaknesses in the overall text. 





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1.   In Skin Game, Mab wanted Harry to get the weapons in Hades vault.

Harry got all but the grail, but Mab knew that she couldn’t count on Harry getting everything, so it pretty much worked out as she planned it to.  The blade of the spear of Longinus seems especially important in the current context, as it can be used to kill an immortal.

2.   In the short story Bombshells, after Molly diffused the Fomor bomb and survived the attack of the Fomor Lord, Lea told her, “…But the Fomor are betrayers. Ever have they been, ever will they be. The only question is what form their treachery will take. The svartalves had to be shown.” Specifically, Mr. Etri needed to learn about Fomor treachery.

So, Lea knew the Fomor were betrayers, which means that Mab knew the Fomor were betrayers; and finally, both Molly and Mr. Etri learned exactly how treacherous the Fomor can be.
 
This means there is no way that Mab, Molly and Mr. Etri didn’t know that a Fomor sucker punch was coming, though Etri may have been distracted by the assassination attempt.  I think we can also add Lara to this list.  Lara sent Thomas into the Fomor stronghold in Bombshells for the same reason Lea sent Molly; to break up a Fomor – Swartalf non-aggression treaty.  Like Lea, Lara was convinced the Fomor were only trying to divide and conquer the other supernatural powers piecemeal.  Plus, Thomas probably gave Lara the details of what happened that night or at least what he knew of them.

It's also likely that Odin was clued in to what was coming, because it’s almost a part of his job description to know these things.  That leaves Marcone.  He knew enough about the Fomor not to be fooled by their peace initiative, but whether he and Mab were in direct communication beforehand about a possible Fomor sucker punch is somewhat questionable.  I think Mab would have simply expected Marcone to be aware of the possibility.  Not that Mab would have expected Marcone to be able to stop the Fomor, but she would expect Marcone to be able to roll with the punch.

This does not mean any of the above-named characters knew the form this betrayal would take.  As in Bombshells, after Molly asked Lea how she knew that Molly would find the bomb the Fomor Lord was intending to detonate, “Bomb?” She (Lea) shook her head. “I did not know what was happening in any specific sense. But the Fomor are betrayers,” which leads back to what I quoted near the beginning.

So, Mab and company might not have known about the “Eye of Balor,” but I bet that at least Mab did know that Ethni… whatever, was involved.  We know that even Alfred sensed her presence when he said to Harry, “THE LAST TITAN IS ON THE MOVE!”  I bet that for Mab, the whole point of the peace talks was to draw Ethniu out of hiding. Get the Titan to become overconfident and a bit reckless.  As a bonus, Mab would learn which signatories to her accords would fight to uphold them.  Separate the wheat from the chaff; or perhaps I should I say, separate those supernatural nations that would remain in Mab’s good graces and those Mab would go out of her way to throw to the wolves.  The leader of the LaChaise clan has no clue what kind of mistake he has made.

Harry thinks that he’s acting on the fly, making it up as he goes along, but just like in Skin Game, Mab has set the game up for him.  Harry just hasn’t figured that out yet.

PART TWO

None of what I said above tells us what was going on with Thomas’ alleged assassination attempt against Etri, but it suggests to me that Mab was involved in some way.  Not that Mab planned to violate her own accords, but she was probably aware of what was going to happen and tried to play it to her own benefit.
 
I’m not certain of anything except that in some way, Mab, Lara and Marcone are working together.  I don’t mean the three of them have gotten together to have planning sessions.  Clearly Mab and Lara didn’t trade favors by accident.  On Marcone’s end, he had to know the potential weakness the dumbwaiter created in the gym when he agreed to have it installed and Marcone knew that Karrin Murphy trained at that gym on almost a daily basis.  So, without Marcone having to talk to either Lara or Harry, holding Thomas made it fairly easy for Lara; with Harry’s help guided by Karrin Murphy’s knowledge, to allow Thomas’ escape while allowing Marcone to escape blame for the escape.  It’s as if Thomas disappeared from Marcone’s custody by magic!
   
There’s a larger game going on that we aren’t privy to yet.  It not just about someone pressuring Thomas to kill Etri, but about the countermoves that Mab; with some help, has been making.

Now for a WAG, or two.  Mab will succeed, but not in everything.  Harry is going to screw up her plans in some major fashion.  Mab is thinking of replacing Harry with Thomas.  She’s more than a little miffed that Harry won’t bend to her will and Thomas has much more obvious weak spots for her to apply pressure to.  Of course, this possibility will be obviated if Thomas become a KotC.  Mab will be stuck with Harry as her Knight, at least until Halloween rolls around.  "Many, many mantles are worn-or discarded-on Halloween night, wizard."








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DF Spoilers / What will Thomas learn from the British Prisoner?
« on: July 28, 2020, 01:13:47 AM »
I just finished listening to the audio book version of Peace Talks after having read it about 10-11 days ago.  I didn't noticed the first time through that Harry gave Alfred instructions that Thomas can only speak to another prisoner if that prisoner is undergoing the same punishment, and there's only one other prisoner whose doing the contemplation thing.

The alternative is that after talking to Thomas the British prisoner will speak to Harry.  However it plays out, what do you think will be learned from all this.  I have a feeling it will be about a cure for Thomas that involves Excalibur.  There might also be some information about how to breach that special bronze armor the Titan's wearing. 

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DF Spoilers / A Fist Full of Warlocks - Audio version
« on: July 27, 2020, 08:09:24 PM »
Here's a link to an audio version of a Fist Full of Warlocks.  It has some nice sound effects as well. 

https://soundcloud.com/mayhemopus/a-fistful-of-warlocks

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