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DF Spoilers / Re: What the heck was Justin *UP* to??!?
« on: August 25, 2022, 05:46:03 PM »
I frowned. "You locked her away somewhere, but you're keeping her promises?"

Something cold and haughty flickered through Mab's eyes. "Promises must be kept," she murmured, and the words made wave, wind, and stone tremble. "My vassal's oaths and bargains are binding upon me, so long as I restrain her from fulfilling them."

"Does that mean that you will help me?" I asked.

"It means that I will give you what she might give you," Mab said, "and speak what knowledge she might have spoken to you were she here in flesh, rather than in proxy."


That's Point 1  This is Mab saying she must cover Lea's obligation to Harry because she has Lea locked in ice and unable to fulfill her bargain

Point 2  This is Lea after getting out of the ice saying that her bargain with Margaret is still active with no expiration date

I frowned. “But . . . you sold my debt to Mab.”

“Precisely. At an excellent price, I might add. So now, all that remains twixt thou and I is your mother’s bargain. Unless you would prefer to enter another compact, of course . . .”

Point 3  This is what Lea has done in keeping that bargain. The fact that it often helped her stalk Harry originally for his debt is explained. But the debt is gone now so only protection remains. and note that this conversation takes place Before they leave for Chichen Itza. Lea helps Harry on this quest because Mab orders her to during Harry's initiation and Winter Knight bargain at the Stone Table.

Indeed, child,” she said. “Did you not think it strange that in your turmoil-strewn time here none of your foes—not one—ever sought to enter from the other side? Never sent a spirit given form directly into your bed, your shower, your refrigerator? Never poured a basket of asps into your closet so that they sought refuge in your shoes, your boots, the pockets of your clothing?” She shook her head. “Sweet, sweet child. Had you walked much farther, you would have seen the mound of bones of all the things that have attempted to reach you, and which I have destroyed.”

“Yeah, well. I nearly wound up there myself.”

“La,” she said, smiling. “My guardians were created to attack any intruder—including one that looked like you. We couldn’t have some clever shapeshifter slipping by, now, could we?” She sighed. “You took a terrible toll on my primroses. Honestly, child, there are elements other than fire, you know. You really ought to diversify. Now I have two gaping maws to feed instead of one.”

“I’ll . . . be more careful next time,” I said.

“I should appreciate such a thing.” She studied me quietly. “It has been true for your entire lifetime, child. I have followed you in the spirit world. Created guardians and defenses ’pon the other side to ward your sleep, to stand sentinel over your home. And you still have only the beginnings of an idea of how many have tried.” She smiled, showing her delicately pointed canine teeth again. “Tried, and failed.”

Which also explained how she was always near at hand whenever I had entered the Nevernever. How she would be upon my trail in seconds whenever I went in.

Because she had been there, protecting me.

Point 4 Lea takes over teaching Molly while Harry is walkabout in GS. She even continues to teach Harry  when she is about to be assaulted by Listen and crew. Do you think this is because of her whimsical fae nature?

I am taking the quote, just not the parts which are being implied into it without any provenance. Treating something as a fact when it is nothing more than a theory still does not make it a fact. I am not called Conspiracy Factualist.

As previously stated, Lea is Harry’s stalker, she moved in next door to keep a better eye on Harry, and to the extent none of Harry’s foes want to try to break in from next door does not change the fact this is a voluntarily assumed pattern of behaviour on Leas part and not an obligation. There is still no obligation for Mab to assume. This is ‘protection’ Harry neither asked for or wants. Unless she was subject to a bargain or compact, Lea cannot intervene in the mortal world, so she has limited herself to the Never Never because she doesn’t need a bargain to do that, she is still hoping Harry will enter into a bargain, and indeed is still offering one.

If it were that simple than when Mab took over that ‘obligation’ then the Castle would  come out not in Leas murder Garden, but instead Arctis Tor in the Never Never which would back up another of my theories that Harry is seeking to achieve exactly that.

No, you're just taking out the parts of the book that contradict your theories and ignoring them. The books(Remember them?) go into many examples of how liege to vassal debt works. A good theory should include observing the actual phenomena available pertaining to it's subject.

I'm not trying to attack you. I actually find you insightful and innovative much of the time. But you tend to get your head canon confused with the actual book text. Or do you not realize that there is more provenance in the books for this being the way obligations work than there is for your direct Way from Arctis Tor to Demonreach theory?


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DF Spoilers / Re: What the heck was Justin *UP* to??!?
« on: August 25, 2022, 12:49:09 AM »
Perhaps the Fae are different but among the people I know, you're a godparent forever.

And Harry hasn't reached 50 yet. To Mab and Lea he's still a child. They even refer to him as "child" in most of their conversations.

But if you won't take direct quote's into account, then I guess your opinion is set in stone.

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DF Spoilers / Re: What the heck was Justin *UP* to??!?
« on: August 24, 2022, 01:35:07 PM »
Harry was not a vassal of either Lea or Mab at the time. He was in Ghost Story.

Harry was not a vassal but Lea was and it was Lea's obligation that Mab was fulfilling. Thank you @morriswalters for saving me the search for the quote.

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DF Spoilers / Re: What the heck was Justin *UP* to??!?
« on: August 23, 2022, 09:15:32 PM »
Actually Mab was required to protect Harry. It's part of that liege taking on vassal's obligations while they are unable to carry them out thing. Remember Lea took on Molly while Harry was ghost walkabout in CD.

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DF Spoilers / Re: What the heck was Justin *UP* to??!?
« on: August 21, 2022, 02:04:57 PM »
What Mab said was she felt that Molly was more suited for Summer Lady, but it didn't work out that way.

She said that Molly was groomed for another Purpose and considered her a better candidate for Summer. It depends on where you place the emphasis on how you interpret it though. To me this other purpose was paramount and backup Fae Queen was an emergency option but I can see both views being valid.

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DF Spoilers / Re: What the heck was Justin *UP* to??!?
« on: August 21, 2022, 12:29:24 AM »
I have one other theory:  I think that Molly was set up by Mab & Lea.

Michael -- as wielder of Amoracchius -- was very much "on their radar."  Doubly-so as a close friend & ally of Dresden.

That puts Molly on their radar, too.  And when she started showing talent, I think they moved in and began working on her.

Herewith, my WAG (in the form of questions) -- what if Lea began interacting with proto-wizard Molly, struggling-to-learn Molly, wanting-power (for all the "right" reasons, but...) Molly?  What if Lea directed Molly away from the safer and more-benign channels?  What if Lea set mind-magic and other Lawbreaking in Molly's path -- intentionally?

What if Molly turning to Black Magic was largely the work of the Leanansidhe???

Murderously-angry Harry, much?

Molly was definitely on Mab's radar. Mab says as much at the end of CD but hints that her purpose originally wasn't to be a Fae queen but something else. (My personal WAG was a bride for a Dragon, next up Hope/Maggie Jr) But she was also Mab's backup for Sarissa once that became forced.

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DF Spoilers / Re: The Archive
« on: August 18, 2022, 10:55:10 PM »
I don't know if someone has already mentioned this but Nicodemus likes to destroy records kept on him whenever he can. Michael Carpenter mentions this in Grave Peril.

Now in Small Favor he had the Archive at his mercy, it hasn't been mentioned but I would assume while Tessa and Rosanna were torturing Ivy, Nicodemus used the distraction to magically/forcibly delete information on him from the Archive.

It is the type of move I would expect from him. Thusly the Archive might not have much info on Nicodemus anymore.

I doubt this takes place.

For one, Nic and his cronies never do break through the Archives defenses. She's captured and helpless but still has a core of resistance when rescued.

Secondly, we have no indication that information can be deleted from the Archive. She can be killed but considering her role against the Outsiders, I would posit that her mantle has absolute proof against tampering short of destruction. Whoever set it up even made it broad enough to encompass methods of recording not even dreamed of by mortals at the time of it's creation. We don't even know if Ivy actually deletes the information of an Outsider erased by the Venatori(There may be a WoJ that contradicts me.) or if she just puts the information in a secure compartment in her brain with a do not open ever protocol.

And finally, the Archive is neutral even to the point of non-retaliation outside of immediate threats. She won't give out infomation for any reason that isn't directly part of her purpose. Nic and his crew are not working with the Outsiders as far as she know, otherwise all their hideouts would be exposed, their finances ruined and their pictures posted in every LEO office in the world to balance that assault.

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DF Spoilers / Re: In defense of the WC
« on: August 16, 2022, 02:11:29 PM »
Not yet. Even Mab points out she was once mortal. There is not much mortal left in Mab, but a tiny spark exists. Molly is still a candle worth at least. It may die in time. But it may not, either.

Harry's greatest power may be that every entity in the Supernatural that he works with gets more in touch with humanity. Perhaps the greatest ability of a Starborn  might be to gather alliances among those that have constraints or only partial free will through association.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Mab is cleaning up the White Court
« on: August 15, 2022, 03:53:56 AM »
The Murphyonic Fiels is a plot device used make the lives of Mortal wizards(including and especially Harry) have more difficult lives. Mainly it restricts their use of tech and gives their enemies an advantage.

Because they aren't "mortal practitioners" Molly can a use cell phone where she couldn't before becoming the Lady, Nic and his cronies can use electronic communication, the Redcap could chase down the Water Beetle on a jet-ski and Vadderung can run a multinational security  corporation. Think of how Harry's life as WK would be improved with a company car outfitted as well as the presidential limo. Every wizard should have the Swartalves on speed dial for an air-conditioned and lighted home remodel.

Overanalyzing any book or movie involving magic or supertech will reveal inconsistencies. Just suspend your belief for the world background. Most authors and screenwriters don't think like pro gamers when they set up their worlds.   

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DF Spoilers / Re: The Archive
« on: August 15, 2022, 03:29:46 AM »
The Archive should be one of the richest people in the world. She has every bit of information ever recorded in any medium other than the mind at her fingertips. Just think of having access to every Bitcoin in the world, every lost treasure map every secret formula/recipe and how you could leverage that. 

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I nominate Carlos Ramirez.

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DF Spoilers / Re: In defense of the WC
« on: August 12, 2022, 06:41:37 PM »
Harry has already beat Eb - confidence is a huge thing for a practitioner of magic and now Eb realises he can’t beat Harry without killing him. Harry on the other hand knows he has stood up to the worst Eb can dish out and walked away unharmed.

Harry wins every time now over Eb.

The Merlin requires a different strategy Harry needs to undermine the Merlin politically in any duel they have, show what he has been up to behind the scenes to the assembled White Council destroy his political power and his confidence at the same time.

Harry "died" when one of Eb's built in auto defenses triggered. He now knows he can survive long enough to run away but that's a long way from winning a straight-up duel.

Don't get me wrong. I believe Harry is a top 10 wizard but the top 3, EB, Langtry and Rashiid will take him down.

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DF Spoilers / Re: In defense of the WC
« on: August 07, 2022, 12:24:52 PM »
The White Council's take here would be far less troubling if they had a large scale program and policy for searching out and training youngsters with talent. As it is, they only find blossoming talent when they trip over it. And the Council is too concentrated geographically in Europe and Asia to do much good for the rest of the world.

Harry can become an example of the direction the Council needs to take by using his Wyldfae pact to form a network with the Paranet for searching out young talent and reporting the finds to set of regional Council offices. It could even become one of the main jobs of the Fae Courts after the BAT to assist humanity's recruiting in the role of protecting the Outer Gates.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Lara Raith marriage consummation
« on: August 05, 2022, 07:05:01 AM »
With just a little quick thinking, the protection can be used to Harry and Lara's benefit.

If during Next Book, they are seen working together and dating, they can "reveal" the protection as being with each other, get married and then have a perfect excuse for not cohabiting continuously. I doubt many in the House know of Thomas' solution with Justine so it won't be odd to be together rarely and make a show of tragic star crossed love blooming in times of turmoil and kept apart by the White Court curse. 

Given that justification, they can stay married but be separate.

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DF Spoilers / Re: If you were a Minor Talent?
« on: August 05, 2022, 06:43:31 AM »
It's the difference between having "protection" like the White Council supposedly gives it's members against the rest of the Supernatural and having a 24/7 security team with an absolute mandate.

Now as to why they have so many, I think that no single angel is giving the Carpenter house their full attention but rather each is rotating in and out a part of their consciousness while multi-tasking other jobs. They'd probably arrange it this way on the off chance one of them besides Uriel would actually get to do something beyond just watching humanity stumble around in the dark.

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