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DF Spoilers / Re: Winter Lady Restrictions
« on: October 08, 2022, 11:53:42 PM »
I mostly agree except the exchange of Favors doesn't have to be equal. If you were to use a Favor from the fae on something trivial(say a doughnut) it would be a settled debt. As long as each delivers on what's asked, all is well.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Winter Lady Restrictions
« on: October 08, 2022, 03:49:47 AM »
Deception can take many forms, lying is just the most blatant.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ebenezars journal
« on: September 29, 2022, 01:45:03 PM »
Sounds like more Mantle proof to me...

Mantles don't make you immortal or bring you back. See Aurora,  Maeve, Lily, and Ron Reuel. Some of the necromancers can at least temporarily bring you back, like Kumori. And she does not appear to be Cowl's equal.

While the Knight mantles don't make the holder immortal, Aurora, Lily and Maeve would have all come back if they hadn't been killed at a special place or time for immortal vulnerability or subjected to near reality shattering power such as Ethniu wielding the Eye. It would just take time to heal. Molly tells Harry she could come back from going through a woodchipper and we see Mab go through several stages of healing in PT and BG.

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DF Spoilers / Re: In defense of the WC
« on: September 27, 2022, 04:29:47 PM »
Training young wizards would be more a school for the Arts rather than a vocational school.

Perhaps the solution would be one or two years of fundamentals and Laws of Magic with  a core of permanent faculty and weekly guest speakers. If the students pass this basic assessment then they could be split into their specialties and learn from teachers who are experts in them. That will increase the teacher pool because the students will be assisting rather than taking away from their private interests.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim interview
« on: September 26, 2022, 10:36:13 PM »
I'm pretty sure most of the prisoners would only be injured, not killed.  Physical bodies would be destroyed.

It would only buy a little time for the mortal world... years, maybe?  Even decades?  Barely enough time to get a new cadre of "senior" wizards up from the mid-tiers...

It depends on when the failsafe goes off.

The failsafe was beyond a nuclear level blast, probably more than Tunguska or Krakatoa. Anything mortal or on par with a Nagloshii would be capital "D" dead. But the scheme was for Halloween, a time when even the immortals can be killed. I believe that everything that is tied to one physical body would have perished but that still leaves a number of beings on the Winter Queen level or above that would regenerate over time like Sauron or find a new host body like the Winter Mantles.

Maybe some of those things don't hop directly on the Outsider train but enough do to overwhelm the remaining Accorded Nations(who are definitely going to splinter) and that's The End. It's just that it might not all happen immediately. The Mortal world won't be finished recovering from the event before the first Cthulu level threats start popping upand the burst of energy over those ley lines would have stirred up every dark power hidden in the Western Hemisphere to kick that off. The apocalypse might take a century or two to run it's course but it would be too late to stop it.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Ebenezars journal
« on: September 24, 2022, 04:47:33 PM »
I think the main difference is where a particular mantle stands on the power scale, what created it and more specifically if it grants immortality. There are capital M and small m mantles.

Mother, Lady or perhaps even Kringle grant immortality. They have much greater restraints on their holders freedom of action. Warden and Winter Knight are either created by or meant to be held by mortals. Winter Knight is more powerful than Warden(It works everywhere) but it does constrain Harry to obey Winter Law to maintain access.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim interview
« on: September 24, 2022, 04:34:18 PM »
Alfred needs orders to go into higher than minimum security. Harry states in SK that he could have shut down the CD attack by himself if he had had the knowledge he gained from his extended stay afterwards.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim interview
« on: September 21, 2022, 01:10:59 PM »
Where was it confirmed as Maeve? And where does it say they came from Arctis Tor? It's definitely not in the books and I've seen no WoJ on the matter.

Why would Nemesis(Maeve) waste it's supposedly one free shot at the Way to Demonreach on a minor side scheme when it could do a full jailbreak? Just bring an allied warlock to Demonreach before TC. Have him/her become Warden and let school out while Mab has no active Knight and no Lady to help her.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim interview
« on: September 21, 2022, 12:52:43 AM »
The congruent spot in reality is supposedly the lesser of the sites though. Marcone's vault is a starter set to Hades'. The only place comparably greater than Demonreach that Mab is associated with is the Outer Gates themselves.

There is no circumstantial evidence of a direct Way from Arctis Tor to Demonreach. We don't know who was with Peabody on Demonreach but it most likely wasn't a Nemfected Maeve. Otherwise what was the point of flying onto the island when she could have just taken her entourage and the ritual materials directly there. Or sending in an inside man to be the Warden before Harry assumes the post. Or going and blowing the place during the time betweenTurn Coat and Cold Days.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim interview
« on: September 20, 2022, 09:09:26 PM »
Potentially it does disqualify it, if any hint of collusion could result in hades Vault in Marcone’s Bank from not backing onto the Vault in Hades Realm then having the same space used for a different purpose would do the same thing, especially if there is another candidate which doesn’t have that dual purpose.

There is also the point that both the Gatekeeper and the Winter Lady used the Never Never route to Demonreach. Neither has any known association with Hades or Tartarus, both have associations with Mab and Arctis Tor. Mab will leak information to find out those she cannot trust and wait for them to prove her right, she did this with Nameless, perhaps she did the same with Maeve and the back door to Demonreach, indeed the attack may have been an attempt to verify the information by Maeves allies as much as release Lea. It was shut to her after this, suggesting Mab’s game.

People might want Demonreach to back onto Tartarus, bur there is no evidence for this, but there is circumstantial evidence for Mab’s Ice Garden, by those who have used the route to get there.

So what hordes of world threating monsters and demons are imprisoned in Mab's garden? The only actual time it appears in the books, it's being used to hold Lea to cure her. We know that she punishes people there but it's mostly her vassals that displease her(most recently Nameless, Laplander and Harry in The Law). I don't think anything she has would be more than a Nagloshi. Demonreach holds fallen Gods. It's Never Never analog is someplace with equivalent or greater prisoners in equa numbers. That doesn't have to be Tartarus but it should be in that league and Mab's place just isn't.

And once again this theory hangs on that direct Way from Arctic Tor that's never been even inferred by the books. Yes, Peabody met someone in Chicago, a known nexus of Ways, but where is it stated that it was Maeve and that they came from Arctis Tor? If an already Nemfected Maeve had known a Way to the island, she could have loosed the sleepers before Harry ever became Warden or Winter Knight. Rashiid says he knows a Way but we have no way to know where he started from. A spot that approaches the Outer Gates would seem to be a better choice. 

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim interview
« on: September 20, 2022, 02:44:11 PM »
And that’s the problem, Demonreach doesn’t do such double duty, it’s purely a prison for the Monsters and Demons, not a “bad place” for humanity. See I did do exactly the same research, but didn’t overlook its dual nature.

Being a mortal underworld does not disqualify Tartarus from being a prison for Titans and monsters. That was it's original use. Christian Hell had Lucifer and the fallen angels imprisoned before the first mortals walked the earth. Traditionally, most other pantheons imprisoned their evil deities and monsters in wars fought before the dawn of man. The wicked souls got sent there to suffer afterwards. Why wouldn't those places still be prisons? The only stories we have of escapes(excepting modern horror movies) are by gods and heroes who were living when they entered or who were called to a higher purpose after death.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Jim interview
« on: September 19, 2022, 05:33:27 PM »
Cereberus will not come out of Demonreach three words Wet Dog Smell. And it would be truly epic. Cereberus would also have to deal with Alfred, who I suspect would, hug him and pet him and pat him and kiss him and call him George.

I believe Harry has commented on Mister getting old in Peace Talks and Jim did in Little Things.

As regards Demonreach and Tartarus being analogues, Tartarus is an afterlife, not a prison for the here and now and is hardly escape proof, Demonreach is. The analogues would be for a prison for the living which has never been the subject of an escape. Only Mab’s Ice Garden springs to mind.

He worked with Etienne on providing a sanctum which puts it around the 1200’s

Someone needs to do a bit of research on Greek mythology:

In Greek mythology, Tartarus (/ˈtɑːrtərəs/; Ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tártaros) is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. Tartarus is the place where, according to Plato's Gorgias ( c.

Tartarus - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Tartarus

Tartarus does double duty as an underworld for mortals and the prison ofthe Greek Titans and other monsters. This is true of most mythological/religious hells. The monsters/demons are sent there and later the wicked souls of humanity are banished there. Mab's little ice garden is her personal prison but it isn't even as good a prison as Demonreach, otherwise it would have a much larger population.

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DF Spoilers / Re: What the heck was Justin *UP* to??!?
« on: September 03, 2022, 07:40:33 PM »
But as far as we have been told in print, Margaret's bargain with Lea has not obligated Harry to do anything.

Harry owed Lea because he bargained for the power to fight HWWB with her. It is only tangentially related because were unlikely to meet without it.

Also the favor system and the vassalage systems are completely separate. Favors are one shot tit for tat tasks that can be very unequal and can be serious or whimsical in fulfillment.(Or both, "Bring me a donut" comes to mind.) Vassalage is a long term series of obligations that can affect all aspects of life and can transfer generationally.

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DF Spoilers / Re: Proven Guilty and my personal canon.
« on: August 30, 2022, 09:25:55 PM »
Do we know if Harry's housekeeping brownies were Summer or Winter Fae?  If they were Winter, then I'd say Mab fixed LC as part of Lea's godmothering. Since Lea watched Harry's place foe enemies, it would have been simple for her to enter a a benign fae while Harry and Bob were out just like the cleaners do. Mab did the same while covering for Lea and spotted and fixed the flaw .

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DF Spoilers / Re: What the heck was Justin *UP* to??!?
« on: August 26, 2022, 04:01:51 PM »
Nameless is an interesting new character but there is nothing to indicate whether he is or is not Cowl.

The only real indications of his actual power are from Bob telling Harry who he is and how Harry probably can't take him and from how he reacts to Mab and Marcone.

As far as magic goes, he never actually does anything in the story besides trade verbal threats with Harry in his office, staying very much in character as a powerful supernatural evil lawyer.

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