is Nicodemus Archleone *the* Nicodemus (from the Bible)?

[g33k]

John 3:3 --

Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

(I mean... I don't think we know, for sure; afaik there's neither WoJ nor book-reference.  So I guess I mean "how likely do you think it is" rather than just "is" the DF one the same as the Biblical one)

[KurtinStGeorge]

I would guess no.  My feeling is the Denarian took that name as a perversion or inversion of Nicodemus of the New Testament.  In the Book of John, Nicodemus is a Pharisee who meets Jesus and asks him how to enter the Kingdom of God.  He struggles with the ideas he is taught.  In the end, he helps prepare Jesus body for burial.  That's a short and very truncated version of events in the Book of John. 

I think Nicodemus Archleone's backstory may be; spiritually at least, the opposite or near opposite of the biblical Nicodemus.  He meets with a Fallen Angel, then struggles with what he learns, but in the end follows the path Anduriel set for him.  Yes, Nicodemus Archleone will claim in Skin Game that he leads the Fallen, but that was just his own arrogance speaking.

I may have the details wrong.  That's a near certainty, but I might have the essence right.

Then again, maybe Nicodemus was just a very popular name back then.

[Mira]

I would guess no.  My feeling is the Denarian took that name as a perversion or inversion of Nicodemus of the New Testament.  In the Book of John, Nicodemus is a Pharisee who meets Jesus and asks him how to enter the Kingdom of God.  He struggles with the ideas he is taught.  In the end, he helps prepare Jesus body for burial.  That's a short and very truncated version of events in the Book of John. 

I think Nicodemus Archleone's backstory may be; spiritually at least, the opposite or near opposite of the biblical Nicodemus.  He meets with a Fallen Angel, then struggles with what he learns, but in the end follows the path Anduriel set for him.  Yes, Nicodemus Archleone will claim in Skin Game that he leads the Fallen, but that was just his own arrogance speaking.

I may have the details wrong.  That's a near certainty, but I might have the essence right.

Then again, maybe Nicodemus was just a very popular name back then.

My knowledge of the New Testament is limited, but I also remember that Nicodemus was the man who helped to take down Jesus from the Cross, I also think it was his tomb that they placed the body of Jesus in, but I could be wrong about that part. 

As for the  Pharisee who I believe was also rich who asked Jesus how to enter the Kingdom of Heaven?  Was answered I think with the famous "eye of a needle" quote.  Now it is possible that that was Nic, who got very upset about that and somewhere along the line became buds with Judas.  Nic's noose has never been explained, we all know about the most famous noose in history, the one that hung Judas.  So we keep on coming back to this point in history, also Judas was paid with thirty pieces of silver, there are thirty Denarians each trapped in presumedly one of those coins.

[Tinfoil hat]

My knowledge of the New Testament is limited, but I also remember that Nicodemus was the man who helped to take down Jesus from the Cross, I also think it was his tomb that they placed the body of Jesus in, but I could be wrong about that part. 

As for the  Pharisee who I believe was also rich who asked Jesus how to enter the Kingdom of Heaven?  Was answered I think with the famous "eye of a needle" quote.  Now it is possible that that was Nic, who got very upset about that and somewhere along the line became buds with Judas.  Nic's noose has never been explained, we all know about the most famous noose in history, the one that hung Judas.  So we keep on coming back to this point in history, also Judas was paid with thirty pieces of silver, there are thirty Denarians each trapped in presumedly one of those coins.

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Biblical Nic was a pharise, ( teacher of the law) the intellectual class of the day. Jesus was uneducated but seemed to know more that the pharisees themselves. Biblical Nic became a believer. Nic on the other hand may have been from the time period but i doubt he was a big deal at the time

[Mira]

Biblical Nic was a pharise, ( teacher of the law) the intellectual class of the day. Jesus was uneducated but seemed to know more that the pharisees themselves. Biblical Nic became a believer. Nic on the other hand may have been from the time period but i doubt he was a big deal at the time

If they were the same Nic, as Kurtin suggested Nicodemus could have been a very common name.  It doesn't matter if he was important at the time or not, but somehow he got tied both to the noose and one of the silver coins with one of the Fallen entrapped inside.  Jim is either leading us down a rabbit hole of implied meaning, or Nic somehow has direct or indirect ties to Judas.

[Avernite]

If they were the same Nic, as Kurtin suggested Nicodemus could have been a very common name.  It doesn't matter if he was important at the time or not, but somehow he got tied both to the noose and one of the silver coins with one of the Fallen entrapped inside.  Jim is either leading us down a rabbit hole of implied meaning, or Nic somehow has direct or indirect ties to Judas.

There is indeed one historical Nicodemus outside the bible, apparently (though some scholars suggest they are the same, I think that's reaching... the first was accomplished around the year 30, the second Nicodemus was active around the year 70). And wikipedia mentions it's not sure if the name has Hebrew or Greek origins. So trying to answer which Nicodemus, and why, seems to risk a rabbit hole...

[Mira]

There is indeed one historical Nicodemus outside the bible, apparently (though some scholars suggest they are the same, I think that's reaching... the first was accomplished around the year 30, the second Nicodemus was active around the year 70). And wikipedia mentions it's not sure if the name has Hebrew or Greek origins. So trying to answer which Nicodemus, and why, seems to risk a rabbit hole...

Not unusal, and maybe that's the point?  I seem to remember in Skin Game that it was mentioned that Nic had Greek origins, and further hinted or would seem to suggest outside of the New Testament.  Yet at the same time the connections to Judas seem obvious. However since Greeks did travel in the time of Jesus, both can be true at once.  As in Nic isn't the Nic of the Bible, however he is Greek, and happened to somehow both hook up with Judas and pick up one of the silver coins.  After all not much if anything is said about Judas after he hanged himself.  I could be wrong there, I am not all that up on the Bible.  However there are other Books of the New Testament that have been edited out in the last couple of thousand years, something may have been said in one of those.