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Turncoat
Mira:
--- Quote ---It is and it isn't out of character. The last we saw of Carlos before PT/BG was a brief scene in Changes where Carlos chases Harry down after he confronts the Duchess in front of the council. At that point Harry and Carlos were still presumably on good terms if not outright friends. It was a little jarring to go from that perspective with Carlos to PT where there is simmering distrust/hostility and BG where there is a definite break. That being said, since we saw Carlos, Harry (in the council's view) singlehandedly wiped out the Red Court, seemingly died, came back to like, is in service to Mab as the winter knight, helped the Denarians break into Marcone/Hades vault. In addition, he has not been fulfilling his role as a warden and regional commander and as far as we know has not talked to the council once since Changes. It is easy to see why the distrust of Harry has grown and how Carlos, in addition to having that distrust/paranoia bleed over onto him, might also be feeling slighted because Harry has not reached out to him at all during these major life events.
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This may be all true, but has Carlos reached out to Harry? Like who is the one person who might know what's up with Molly and Winter Ladies and sex and not judge Carlos or Molly for trying? Has Carlos even tried to talk to Harry about what happened to him?Any information on Winter Ladies at all? It may have saved him his macho dignity.. Or do we have any scenes at all after Cold Days where Carlos asks Harry what happened? Is he okay? Come to think of it, I don't remember Harry going to Carlos in Changes when he was so desperate for help to save little Maggie? Well not just her but Eb and himself as well.. Maybe he did, it's been a while since I read the book.. But Harry was a friend in need, if he did ask, why didn't Carlos help?
Or the truth of the matter is, they were working colleagues and casual friends, no more, no less... So when the rumors started to hit the fan and his enemies on the Council had the knives out for Harry... Carlos turned into a professional hardass taking the side of those with the knives and stabbing Harry in the back while keeping himself clean.
dillic1:
I've always thought it could be the gatekeeper. As far as I understand, Harry becomes able to recognize people on the island when he sees them stand on it (and then can keep track of them). Rashid intentionally doesn't touch the island. Harry lacks the ability to recognize him, so when he shows back up with Peabody, he's effectively incognito. Also explains how quickly the messengers get to LTW for the trees. Rashid playing both sides to prepare Harry.
Mira:
--- Quote from: dillic1 on May 27, 2025, 07:59:26 PM ---I've always thought it could be the gatekeeper. As far as I understand, Harry becomes able to recognize people on the island when he sees them stand on it (and then can keep track of them). Rashid intentionally doesn't touch the island. Harry lacks the ability to recognize him, so when he shows back up with Peabody, he's effectively incognito. Also explains how quickly the messengers get to LTW for the trees. Rashid playing both sides to prepare Harry.
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I don't think so, oh I agree that Rashid is helping Harry, but I don't think he is the one playing back up to Peabody or both sides. I reread the passage where Rashid is on the dock and confronts Harry before he knows that Harry has claimed the island as a sanctum. Rashid didn't know and told Harry using his "Eye" that his chances of succeeding were nil. Then Harry jumps onto the island and Rashid scans again and is shocked and surprised to learn that Harry has made the island a sanctum. Yes, Rashid was standing of the very tip of the dock, but not because he feared that Harry would sense from the island that he was helping Peabody in the future. Yes, Rashid apparently also knows an unsavory "Way" to the island, but that doesn't mean he was with Peabody. Rashid admits he knows a Way.. Also Harry openly asks Rashid to help him, Rashid confesses that he cannot step foot on the island.. "Because this place carries a grudge," he said. Somehow I don't think Rashid was lying about that. Also what would be the point of him trying to talk Harry out of the confrontation? For that matter why leave at all? He wouldn't have to be incognito to be playing both sides.. No, whoever it was with Peabody, for my money it wasn't Rashid.
Talby16:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 27, 2025, 05:00:51 PM ---This may be all true, but has Carlos reached out to Harry? Like who is the one person who might know what's up with Molly and Winter Ladies and sex and not judge Carlos or Molly for trying? Has Carlos even tried to talk to Harry about what happened to him?Any information on Winter Ladies at all? It may have saved him his macho dignity.. Or do we have any scenes at all after Cold Days where Carlos asks Harry what happened? Is he okay? Come to think of it, I don't remember Harry going to Carlos in Changes when he was so desperate for help to save little Maggie? Well not just her but Eb and himself as well.. Maybe he did, it's been a while since I read the book.. But Harry was a friend in need, if he did ask, why didn't Carlos help?
Or the truth of the matter is, they were working colleagues and casual friends, no more, no less... So when the rumors started to hit the fan and his enemies on the Council had the knives out for Harry... Carlos turned into a professional hardass taking the side of those with the knives and stabbing Harry in the back while keeping himself clean.
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In Changes, Carlos tried to ask Harry what was going on when he left the confrontation with the Duchess, but Harry was in no shape to respond and Molly told Carlos that they would be in touch. Luccio told Harry that she would be the eyes and ears in headquarters and by implication organizing help there. However, before any the plan was formulated Carlos and several other wardens (except Chandler) were arrested and thus unable to help Harry in the final battle.
After Changes, Harry was dead for awhile and then in PT in the Winter Court and thus not able to be contacted. When his PT was done he was thrown right into the events of Cold Days and things moved way to quick for any type of contact to exist between them. After Cold Days, Harry had to stay on the island due to the parasite. He stayed there until the events of Skin Game started. Mab tells Harry that she specifically prevented contact between Harry and his friends and altered his messages going out in order to pressure him into backing her play in Skin Game. Once Harry got off the island, he could have taken the time to reach out to Carlos, but once again he is in the thick of Big Bad Events and rekindling communication was low on the priority list. After Skin Game is really the first time that Carlos and Harry have a chance to reconnect. Molly and Carlos' interaction takes place sometime between Cold Days and Skin Game and the end result is Carlos severely injured and most likely out of commission for a good long while since In Peace Talks he is still showing some of the effects from his injury from Molly. Recuperating in the hospital would make reaching out to Harry hard especially given that it was Harry's apprentice who did the injuring. It was the Winter Lady who injured Carlos, do you think he is going to reach out to the Winter Knight when he is still suffering from those injuries or is he going to wait until he can face Harry on his own two feet again?
To summarize, based on my understanding of the timeline, I don't think it would have been easy for Harry and Carlos to reconnect after their last meeting in Changes. Once again, from Carlos' point of view, Harry was at the least a colleague if not some degree of friend. Harry killed the Red Court, died, went to work for Mab, and did two major events all without talking to the council or touching base with the wizards who were his colleagues. I can see how Carlos might think that Harry has gone over to the dark side or at least is no longer on the good side.
Mira:
--- Quote ---To summarize, based on my understanding of the timeline, I don't think it would have been easy for Harry and Carlos to reconnect after their last meeting in Changes. Once again, from Carlos' point of view, Harry was at the least a colleague if not some degree of friend. Harry killed the Red Court, died, went to work for Mab, and did two major events all without talking to the council or touching base with the wizards who were his colleagues. I can see how Carlos might think that Harry has gone over to the dark side or at least is no longer on the good side.
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Or was manipulated by someone, possibly even Luccio if she was under the influence of the Peabody ink to be further prejudiced against Harry.
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