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Talby16:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on May 25, 2025, 06:13:20 PM ---Every young wizard was affected Carlos included. The WC instituted some changes to its mental defense training but it wasn't as robust as Harry would have liked hence him and Molly training on their own. He was rehabed but trauma so close to other trauma will reopen old wounds
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I agree that Carlos had to be impacted to some degree. He was a warden before Harry, a regional commander, and most likely present in headquarters more often than Harry (pretty easy since Harry has gone to headquarters almost never). The odds of him signing something are pretty high.
AS much as it pains me to say, Carlos is a good candidate for a traitor. We know that he is distrustful of the council. We know that he has been frustrated by corruption. It would be an easy jump from him to go from there to the council needs to be replaced by something better. Forgive my cross-reference, but in Star Wars there was plenty of people who liked/preferred the Empire because of its emphasis on law and order and structure despite the atrocities it committed. Package the Black Council ideas up in the right way and combine that with a dose of ink and Carlos might be susceptible. He would be an attractive target as a way to keep tabs on Harry or maybe even recruit him in the future.
Mira:
--- Quote ---He would be an attractive target as a way to keep tabs on Harry or maybe even recruit him in the future.
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Carlos did keep secret tabs on Harry. Remember the tracker dot he secretly put on Harry at the beginning of Peace Talks? No, Carlos was willing to screw over his friend long before that final scene between them at the end of Battle Ground.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 27, 2025, 01:45:27 AM ---Carlos did keep secret tabs on Harry. Remember the tracker dot he secretly put on Harry at the beginning of Peace Talks? No, Carlos was willing to screw over his friend long before that final scene between them at the end of Battle Ground.
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But that's not out of character. Harry, as Carlos pointed out, hasn't been acting like a friend, for a long time. From a Council POV, Harry looks suspect, and he seems uninterested in alleviating the suspicions. I'm not sure Carlos still believed Harry was his friend, whether or not Carlos thought of himself as Harry's.
Mira:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on May 27, 2025, 02:15:30 AM ---But that's not out of character. Harry, as Carlos pointed out, hasn't been acting like a friend, for a long time. From a Council POV, Harry looks suspect, and he seems uninterested in alleviating the suspicions. I'm not sure Carlos still believed Harry was his friend, whether or not Carlos thought of himself as Harry's.
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Was it Harry or Carlos not acting as a friend? I don't think it is at all clear as to what Harry did that made Carlos go along with putting that tracking tab on him at the beginning of Peace Talks. I still think that the disastrous sex encounter with Molly is what really is at the bottom of all of this. And you know what? I think Mab could have set all of it up to isolate her Knight and Lady from the White Council. 1] Mab may or may not have known that Carlos and Molly had a thing for one another, or at least were attracted to one another. In any case, one very important bit of information she kept from Molly when she was instructing her was NO SEX with mortals, or at least mortal wizards.. Carlos not without reason, might think that this is something Molly should have been aware of and wondering why she tried to kill him during their love making... 2] Carlos may also think, and not without reason that as the Winter Knight, Harry should also have known about this danger and warned him as a friend.. "Don't bang Lady Molly, it could be hazardous to your health!" Harry didn't know, had no reason to know, after all he did bang Mab to become Knight without any ill effects physically. If Harry and Molly ever try to pin her down on the subject of why she didn't divulge this important bit of information.. Mab would reply, "you didn't ask.." However neither did Mab volunteer, which is all part of her deep three dimensional chess game.. To great success, it is possible that she was only using Molly, since her head has always been in danger of being severed from her shoulders so not a lot of ties to sever.. However Harry was both a member of the White Council and a Warden, Mab doesn't want duel loyalties from her Knight, she rather he didn't follow rules like the Laws of Magic..
Talby16:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 27, 2025, 01:45:27 AM ---Carlos did keep secret tabs on Harry. Remember the tracker dot he secretly put on Harry at the beginning of Peace Talks? No, Carlos was willing to screw over his friend long before that final scene between them at the end of Battle Ground.
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Forgot about this. Carlos has shown that he will put other things above his friendship with Harry.
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on May 27, 2025, 02:15:30 AM ---But that's not out of character. Harry, as Carlos pointed out, hasn't been acting like a friend, for a long time. From a Council POV, Harry looks suspect, and he seems uninterested in alleviating the suspicions. I'm not sure Carlos still believed Harry was his friend, whether or not Carlos thought of himself as Harry's.
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It is and it isn't out of character. The last we saw of Carlos before PT/BG was a brief scene in Changes where Carlos chases Harry down after he confronts the Duchess in front of the council. At that point Harry and Carlos were still presumably on good terms if not outright friends. It was a little jarring to go from that perspective with Carlos to PT where there is simmering distrust/hostility and BG where there is a definite break. That being said, since we saw Carlos, Harry (in the council's view) singlehandedly wiped out the Red Court, seemingly died, came back to like, is in service to Mab as the winter knight, helped the Denarians break into Marcone/Hades vault. In addition, he has not been fulfilling his role as a warden and regional commander and as far as we know has not talked to the council once since Changes. It is easy to see why the distrust of Harry has grown and how Carlos, in addition to having that distrust/paranoia bleed over onto him, might also be feeling slighted because Harry has not reached out to him at all during these major life events.
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