The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Turncoat
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 15, 2025, 11:51:01 AM ---Luccio was the captain of the Wardens at that time. Granted the body switch screwed her up somewhat, hormones were firing her sex drive because she was in a younger body, and she no longer could make the special Warden swords, but basically to be captain of the Wardens of the White Council her wizard mojo is pretty strong.. It appeared to remain strong, otherwise it would have been noticed, yet Peabody and his ink managed to screw her up controlling her to the point of committing murder. Or did Peabody screw everyone else up so badly with his ink that they just didn't notice that their Warden captain wasn't quite right anymore? What I am trying to say is apparently they didn't notice,
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You know, that's an aspect of that whole affair that I had never really considered before. I agree that Peabody probably couldn't produce major changes in older Wizards' behavior, but Staci's affair with Harry does present odd questions.
Staci herself commented afterward that as commander of the Wardens, it was not really wise for her to be carrying on an affair with a subordinate, surging hormones or not. Did they keep the whole thing secret? I never saw much sign of that.
Yet did nobody observe that this might be a questionable breach of discipline? Granted the Council might not have any formal, official rules about such things, but it's hard not to see somebody thinking this was at least unwise or was a bad optic. Esp. with Harry's tendency to make up his own rules. I could easily see some other Warden muttering that "Dresden gets away with it because he's ****ing the Captain." Bad for overall morale, even if the suspicion is false.
Flipside, those of the high echelons who distrust Harry would likely be freaked out by his being the Captain's bedmate, too. "Has Dresden suborned the commander of our police force?!"
Mira's right about this aspect of things, that whole situation looks funny.
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on May 20, 2025, 08:21:33 PM ---
You know, that's an aspect of that whole affair that I had never really considered before. I agree that Peabody probably couldn't produce major changes in older Wizards' behavior, but Staci's affair with Harry does present odd questions.
Staci herself commented afterward that as commander of the Wardens, it was not really wise for her to be carrying on an affair with a subordinate, surging hormones or not. Did they keep the whole thing secret? I never saw much sign of that.
Yet did nobody observe that this might be a questionable breach of discipline? Granted the Council might not have any formal, official rules about such things, but it's hard not to see somebody thinking this was at least unwise or was a bad optic. Esp. with Harry's tendency to make up his own rules. I could easily see some other Warden muttering that "Dresden gets away with it because he's ****ing the Captain." Bad for overall morale, even if the suspicion is false.
Flipside, those of the high echelons who distrust Harry would likely be freaked out by his being the Captain's bedmate, too. "Has Dresden suborned the commander of our police force?!"
Mira's right about this aspect of things, that whole situation looks funny.
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Its actually pointed out that Staci was happy, sure its weird but she's happy. The older members were probably thought its weird but she was happy. Your grumpy friend is finally happy sure their drinking a little bit more but its fine, right.
The WC is old fashioned they don't object to master student relationships what makes you thing they would object to a relationship between two consenting adults. Im not sure if there is any formal code for relationships between members, Wardens and SC. And given their lifespans and small numbers trying to enforce a no relationship clause is asking for a headache
Those anti Dresden members obviously complained about Dresden manipulating poor Staci to get more power but did they say it out loud.
KurtinStGeorge:
Just a thought. There is a general assumption being made that if Peabody brought a younger member of the Council with him to Demonreach, that person was just muscle; and more important, someone Peabody mind raped into being his thrall.
What if Peabody brought a younger member of the Council, but not a thrall? Someone who made a conscious choice to join The Black Council; or whatever they call their alliance, because they had their own grievance against the White Council? You don't have to be old and disillusioned to betray your principles and the people who trust you. There is also the possibility this person was a plant from the beginning. Like the Matt Damon character in the Scorcese movie, The Departed.
We don't know the backstory of any of the younger Wardens Harry befriended. Of course, only two of them are still alive. (I'm assuming Chandler is still alive, somewhere.)
It's just something to consider and keep in mind.
Mira:
[quoteThose anti Dresden members obviously complained about Dresden manipulating poor Staci to get more power but did they say it out loud.
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I would think that they would, there is that faction of the Senior Council that would like nothing more than to see Harry, minus his head..
--- Quote ---The WC is old fashioned they don't object to master student relationships what makes you thing they would object to a relationship between two consenting adults. Im not sure if there is any formal code for relationships between members, Wardens and SC. And given their lifespans and small numbers trying to enforce a no relationship clause is asking for a headache
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Yeah.....But this is a bit different, this is the police captain banging one of her academy cadets.. A cadet with a questionable past in the middle of a murder investigation, that should pop up a few red flags here and there.. Which actually gets to the heart of what I am talking about, the effect of the Peabody's ink's nudges on the senior members of the Council. Did those nudges blind them to those red flags? Which actually fits nicely with why Peabody had no problem pushing Luccio towards Harry, which normally the Senior Council would notice and object to, this time was passed off under the influence as, as you say an affair between to consenting adults, makes the Captain happy so who cares?
--- Quote ---Just a thought. There is a general assumption being made that if Peabody brought a younger member of the Council with him to Demonreach, that person was just muscle; and more important, someone Peabody mind raped into being his thrall.
What if Peabody brought a younger member of the Council, but not a thrall? Someone who made a conscious choice to join The Black Council; or whatever they call their alliance, because they had their own grievance against the White Council? You don't have to be old and disillusioned to betray your principles and the people who trust you. There is also the possibility this person was a plant from the beginning. Like the Matt Damon character in the Scorcese movie, The Departed.
We don't know the backstory of any of the younger Wardens Harry befriended. Of course, only two of them are still alive. (I'm assuming Chandler is still alive, somewhere.)
It's just something to consider and keep in mind.
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And a good idea, and very possible.. However perhaps too simplistic on the face, but on the other hand the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Or if you buy that Peabody was merely someone else's cat's paw, that person or creature was on the island with him.
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 21, 2025, 11:36:40 AM ---Yeah.....But this is a bit different, this is the police captain banging one of her academy cadets.. A cadet with a questionable past in the middle of a murder investigation, that should pop up a few red flags here and there.. Which actually gets to the heart of what I am talking about, the effect of the Peabody's ink's nudges on the senior members of the Council. Did those nudges blind them to those red flags? Which actually fits nicely with why Peabody had no problem pushing Luccio towards Harry, which normally the Senior Council would notice and object to, this time was passed off under the influence as, as you say an affair between to consenting adults, makes the Captain happy so who cares?
And a good idea, and very possible.. However perhaps too simplistic on the face, but on the other hand the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Or if you buy that Peabody was merely someone else's cat's paw, that person or creature was on the island with him.
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During turncoat Harry was not a cadet more a lieutenant banging the police captain. He had a whole region and Wardens who report to him. Its the loose cannon on the force banging the chief, the very strict chief . Its Riggs banging the Captain in lethal weapon,
Imagine mike lawrey from bad boys banging his captain.
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