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The Soul Gaze in Blood Rites, Something Margaret Said to Harry About Justine..
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 15, 2024, 04:16:25 PM ---So what happened to Susan's soul once she completely changed?
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I presume she went on to What Comes Next (as one does).
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on November 15, 2024, 08:06:13 PM ---I presume she went on to What Comes Next (as one does).
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But did she? Technically Susan didn't die, the thing she turned into was killed. Can Mab be soul gazed? Yes, she is 99.99% Fae not, but what about that .01% that is still human? What about the Mothers? Supposedly they started out human eons ago, went the Lady,Queen,Mother route, did they simply lose their soul in the end? Does that mean they are damned? Or at least what was human to start with..
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 15, 2024, 04:16:25 PM ---So what happened to Susan's soul once she completely changed?
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She left. Just as she would if someone had shot her with a gun or something. Susan died in that moment.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 16, 2024, 04:09:57 PM --- But did she? Technically Susan didn't die, the thing she turned into was killed.
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No, Susan did die in the transformation. The thing that was left afterward had access to her memories, and some of her personality was copied, but it wasn't her. A few moments later, the newborn monster was itself slain.
If that was still Susan in any form that Harry killed, then the supercurse would have propagated along Susan's family lines. Maggie would have been killed, along with whatever other blood kin Susan had, and the Red King and his ilk would have been fine.
When a human is converted into a Red or Black Vampire, that human is dead. Not just metaphorically but literally, just as dead as if they had been beheaded or blown up. What takes their place is a pure monster with their memories and a copy of parts of their personality.
That's why a newborn Black Vampire will cheerfully murder former loved ones, in spite of having the memories. The human is gone.
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Can Mab be soul gazed? Yes, she is 99.99% Fae not, but what about that .01% that is still human? What about the Mothers? Supposedly they started out human eons ago, went the Lady,Queen,Mother route, did they simply lose their soul in the end? Does that mean they are damned? Or at least what was human to start with..
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We don't have enough information to say. JB has been kind of reticent on this point.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 13, 2024, 01:53:18 PM ---Does it? Remember why you should never bargain with the Fae! They never can be trusted! And what is the foundation of trust? Truth! In my opinion the point missed repeatedly by mortals is they fall for the Fae cannot lie line. The Fae cannot lie, but that is by their own standard of what a lie is, not what a mortal's concept of a lie, is.. There are many shades to the truth, and the Fae are expert and using all of them. Especially with Mab who can twist things to the point where no, she isn't knowingly lying, but nor is she telling the whole truth!
Nor if the image Harry saw of Thomas in the soul gaze without the Hunger Demon real, would she want that frail human as her Knight. I think not. However unless there is a way to shut off the Hunger Demon, which Margaret may have learned that secret from Lea or Mab, the Demon would clash with the Winter Knight mantle.. In fact the Demon and the Mantle working together would make quite a monster in my opinion. So thank you for making my point, Mab might not have been lying to Harry about that, but at the same time she has no intention of carrying out her threat of making Thomas her Knight.
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From Small Favor:
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"Not having it could have gotten me killed, too," I said. "And then you'd have wasted all that time you've put in trying to recruit me to be the next Winter Knight."
"Nonsense," Mab said. "If you died, I would simply recruit your brother. He would be well motivated to seek revenge upon your killers."
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That's a direct statement on Mab's part. Not an implication, or a suggestion, or a hint, it's a direct declarative statement. Either she means it...or she uttered a falsehood, which as far as know she simply can't.
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