The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
The Soul Gaze in Blood Rites, Something Margaret Said to Harry About Justine..
Mira:
--- Quote ---Most White Court vampires are the offspring of a WCV and a mortal. Half mortal is the norm for them.
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Does it really matter though once the Hunger demon has taken over?
--- Quote ---She said she would. Harry asked her what she would do if he had been killed, since he knew she wanted him as her knight. She said point blank in response that she would offer it to Thomas. Not that she would consider it or maybe, but that she would offer it to Thomas. Straight declarative statement, and Mab always speaks the truth.
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Does she? Page 402 Small Favor
--- Quote ---"He isn't mortal," I said quietly. "I thought Knights had to be mortals,""He is in love," Grimalkin mrowled for Mab. "That makes him mortal enough for me." She tilted her head. Though I suppose I might make him an offer, while you yet live. He would give much to hold his love again, would he not?"
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Sounds to me like Mab is messing with Harry. Knights have to be mortal, but Mab doesn't say Thomas is mortal, she says,""he is in love that makes him mortal enough for me." She didn't say that made Thomas a mortal, but that it was enough.. Enough for what? A bargain, she is hinting that she could make him a mortal if he'd agree to be her Knight. But would she actually go through all that trouble? Or would Thomas want to become that very ordinary mortal with the weak eyes that Harry saw in the soul gaze? Seriously, would that Thomas be able to control the Winter Knight mantle? No, Mab was talking in Fae double speak.. Not lying, but not telling the truth either.
--- Quote ---She can use magic. You don't have to have free will to use magic, but having free will is what causes magical techbane. That's why Fae can use magic and also use smartphones and other electronics, no techbane. But the combination of magic and free will screws up electronics and other technology
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Does Molly still have her free will?
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 11, 2024, 10:29:20 PM ---
Does she? Page 402 Small Favor
Sounds to me like Mab is messing with Harry. Knights have to be mortal, but Mab doesn't say Thomas is mortal, she says,""he is in love that makes him mortal enough for me." She didn't say that made Thomas a mortal, but that it was enough.. Enough for what? A bargain, she is hinting that she could make him a mortal if he'd agree to be her Knight. But would she actually go through all that trouble?
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She said he was mortal enough for her. Mab cannot utter a knowing falsehood. She didn't say he 'would be mortal', she said, 'is mortal'. That means he is already, as is, mortal enough to qualify to be Winter Knight.
--- Quote ---Or would Thomas want to become that very ordinary mortal with the weak eyes that Harry saw in the soul gaze?
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Mab can't make Thomas pure human. According to JB, yes, she could tear the parasite right out of him, but that wouldn't leave anything recognizable behind. She can't surgically, neatly remove the parasite and just leave the man.
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Does Molly still have her free will?
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That is a damned good question. I've wondered it myself. Is Molly Sidhe now? How much free will does her mantle leave her? We already know she can use cell phones now, but we lack data to determine much else.
Mira:
--- Quote ---She said he was mortal enough for her. Mab cannot utter a knowing falsehood. She didn't say he 'would be mortal', she said, 'is mortal'. That means he is already, as is, mortal enough to qualify to be Winter Knight.
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Does it? Remember why you should never bargain with the Fae! They never can be trusted! And what is the foundation of trust? Truth! In my opinion the point missed repeatedly by mortals is they fall for the Fae cannot lie line. The Fae cannot lie, but that is by their own standard of what a lie is, not what a mortal's concept of a lie, is.. There are many shades to the truth, and the Fae are expert and using all of them. Especially with Mab who can twist things to the point where no, she isn't knowingly lying, but nor is she telling the whole truth!
--- Quote ---Mab can't make Thomas pure human. According to JB, yes, she could tear the parasite right out of him, but that wouldn't leave anything recognizable behind. She can't surgically, neatly remove the parasite and just leave the man.
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Nor if the image Harry saw of Thomas in the soul gaze without the Hunger Demon real, would she want that frail human as her Knight. I think not. However unless there is a way to shut off the Hunger Demon, which Margaret may have learned that secret from Lea or Mab, the Demon would clash with the Winter Knight mantle.. In fact the Demon and the Mantle working together would make quite a monster in my opinion. So thank you for making my point, Mab might not have been lying to Harry about that, but at the same time she has no intention of carrying out her threat of making Thomas her Knight.
--- Quote ---That is a damned good question. I've wondered it myself. Is Molly Sidhe now? How much free will does her mantle leave her? We already know she can use cell phones now, but we lack data to determine much else.
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Another question that follows whether or not the technobane can be gotten around, if the wizard knows how. Listen's to Wind, keeps current medically, he has attended medical school, it's a given that that means he would be around state of the art medical electronic equipment, that he cannot have blow up any time he enters a hospital or laboratory. Actually there are few things these days in our everyday life that doesn't contain computer chips of some kind. Given what the average cell phone has become these days, Harry walking down the street should make more pants and purses blow up than when the Israelis did it to the terrorists. Some things sound cool, but in reality don't make a whole lot of sense.. Like I could never get beyond Harry taking cold showers during the height of winter in Chicago because he couldn't have a water heater!
g33k:
RCV's are entirely inhuman.
They "wear a flesh mask" but it's an ectoplasmic summoning; the real creature is a rubbery batlike thing. They only act with self-control for their own advantage (incliding self-preservation, e.g. in the face of a superior foe).
WCV's are humans; they are humans harboring "hunger demons," but they are still human, and we know this with certainty: wizards can soulgaze WCV's (but cannot soulgaze RCV's).
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on November 15, 2024, 01:17:30 AM ---RCV's are entirely inhuman.
They "wear a flesh mask" but it's an ectoplasmic summoning; the real creature is a rubbery batlike thing. They only act with self-control for their own advantage (incliding self-preservation, e.g. in the face of a superior foe).
WCV's are humans; they are humans harboring "hunger demons," but they are still human, and we know this with certainty: wizards can soulgaze WCV's (but cannot soulgaze RCV's).
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So what happened to Susan's soul once she completely changed?
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