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Lord Kinbote:

--- Quote from: Mira on June 13, 2024, 01:41:24 PM --- That's confirmed by Lash in White Night that Margaret didn't decide to conceive a star child until she met and fell in love with Malcolm.

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I don't recall Lash's discussion around the circumstances of Harry's birth being that detailed.  Though even if it were, I don't consider Lash to be an honest narrator.  I guess I'll just have to keep reading and hope there's a conclusion that I get to.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Lord Kinbote on June 13, 2024, 05:14:04 PM ---I don't recall Lash's discussion around the circumstances of Harry's birth being that detailed.  Though even if it were, I don't consider Lash to be an honest narrator.  I guess I'll just have to keep reading and hope there's a conclusion that I get to.

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She explains it in White Night page 363 hard back; bolding mine

--- Quote ---"An Outsider," Lasciel said.  "I have felt such a presence before.  This attack is drawn directly from the mind of the Outsider."  Gosh that was interesting.  Not relevant, but interesting.
"It is relevant," Lasciel said, ""because of why you were born, Harry.  Your mother found the strength to escape Lord Raith for a reason."
What the hell was she talking about?
Thud-thump:1:26.
"There was a complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstances that would have given a child born under them the potential to wield power over Outsiders."
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Actually Harry was dubious as well, but Lash's comeback was how does he explain defeating an Outsider at the age of 16? And not just any Outsider but He Who Walks Behind, one of their most powerful knights.  Further confirmed by the hints that Margaret, herself gave Harry in his soul gaze with Thomas in Blood Rites, and his dream of his father at a campsite, I think that one was in Dead Beat.  Both parents sort of apologize to Harry for their decision when they conceived him, putting such a burden on him.  So yeah, in my opinion Lash was telling Harry the truth. 

g33k:

--- Quote from: Mira on June 13, 2024, 01:41:24 PM --- ... So far the only mortal we've seen with that kind of will power is Harry ...
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Not even Harry (at least, not yet; not as of Changes).
The first time they met, Vadderung slammed Harry to the floor with raw willpower, no spell at all.

Harry tried to resist magically and was shocked to find no "spell" he could unravel, and a willpower so overwhelming that he was helpless.

Mira:

--- Quote from: g33k on June 13, 2024, 07:23:22 PM ---Not even Harry (at least, not yet; not as of Changes).
The first time they met, Vadderung slammed Harry to the floor with raw willpower, no spell at all.

Harry tried to resist magically and was shocked to find no "spell" he could unravel, and a willpower so overwhelming that he was helpless.

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But Vadderung isn't human, he is the god Odin, ergo not a mortal.. Nor is he an Outsider...

Note what Lash told Harry again;

--- Quote ---There was a complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstances that would have given a child born under them the potential to wield power over Outsiders."
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Wield power over Outsiders, not gods... Also will isn't just about physical power, it was Harry's mental will that resisted Lasciel's Shadow, not any physical power or magical power that he has.  Also I guess one could argue that at the time Vadderung did that, though he is always talking about his will, at that time, and maybe even now Harry has no clue as to how strong he can be or will be.

vincentric:
We know that mortals can wear Winterfae mantles, otherwise there'd be no queens. The willpower factor is just how much control over the mantle they can exert and how much humanity they retain.

Michael would be the best option for Kringle though.

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