The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Have there been any . . .
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on June 14, 2024, 05:28:10 AM ---We know that mortals can wear Winterfae mantles, otherwise there'd be no queens. The willpower factor is just how much control over the mantle they can exert and how much humanity they retain.
Michael would be the best option for Kringle though.
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We know they can wear the four, Mother,Queen,Lady, Knight, but it cannot be assumed without evidence that it is true for the other mantles.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 14, 2024, 04:39:47 AM ---But Vadderung isn't human, he is the god Odin, ergo not a mortal.. Nor is he an Outsider...
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You had alleged:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 13, 2024, 01:41:24 PM --- ... So far the only mortal we've seen with that kind of will power is Harry ...
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My point was that Harry hasn't shown us that kind of willpower (at least not yet), the kind necessary to don the Kringlemantle... ideally, without becoming subsumed in that identity!
Harry has shown us that in a will-vs-will contest he gets (literally) CRUSHED by the current (and only known) guy to wear the Kringlemantle.
Now... I do agree that Harry has depths he has yet to plumb; and that his power (and willpower) are growing(*).
I suspect that Harry couldn't (yet) handle the Kringlemantle... but might eventually be able to.
(*) I suspect Uriel and Mab have each been actively curating an ever-more-stringent suite of challenges with the aim of getting Harry BAT-ready; it is that Mab&Uriel action (as much as any "Black Council" and/or "Cowl" and/or "Nemesis" plans) which is responsible for Harry's "curated" Dresdenstagram(tm) lifestyle.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Harry has shown us that in a will-vs-will contest he gets (literally) CRUSHED by the current (and only known) guy to wear the Kringlemantle.
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Again, we are talking about someone not human, but a god.. Also his power is supposedly over Outsiders. Having the willpower doesn't mean he wins every time, but he has the will to put up a fight and resist. Also after the wild hunt Harry suggested that at some point he could kick Kringle's ass, and Kringle replied that he could try, and he might..
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: g33k on June 12, 2024, 10:10:19 PM ---Oh, I don't think they "ordered" Margaret around.... They lured her into doing what they wanted, making her think it was her own plan.
Margaret LeFey was extraordinarily adept with faerie ways, but Mab is just on another level... Mab manipulated Nic & Anduriel. Manipulating Maggie Sr. would be childs' play.
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I actually rather suspect that Margaret was probably kind of easy to manipulate, if you once got to know her and got a sense of her ego. People with rebellious, 'you can't make me!' personalities are often easy to manipulate by people who are more realistic/adult/practical. You just make it seem like it's their idea and they're defying you. Con artists know that people who pride themselves on their own high intelligence are often esp. good marks. (Pride being the key word, not intelligence.)
Margaret herself told Harry (via her simulacrum in Blood Rites) that she had been 'so arrogant'.
--- Quote from: Mira on June 13, 2024, 01:41:24 PM --- That's confirmed by Lash in White Night that Margaret didn't decide to conceive a star child until she met and fell in love with Malcolm.
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No, it isn't. Lash told Harry that it was not a coincidence that Margaret broke free when she did, or that he was born when and under the circumstances he was, but she never said that any of that planning was on Margaret's part. There are any number of higher or lower powers in the DV that might have been chessmastering.
Mira:
--- Quote ---No, it isn't. Lash told Harry that it was not a coincidence that Margaret broke free when she did, or that he was born when and under the circumstances he was, but she never said that any of that planning was on Margaret's part. There are any number of higher or lower powers in the DV that might have been chessmastering.
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She may not have been the mastermind, but neither was she a mere pawn on the chess board. As a chess board piece, she may have ranked as high as queen.. She had to ability to move in any direction on the board.. Move she did, and then was sacrificed.
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