The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Harry is a Dad...Again..😳
g33k:
--- Quote from: vincentric on June 26, 2024, 04:01:51 PM ---If they were truly in love, then they wanted to be faithful to each other ...
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I think the more's of the Whampires -- even whampires in love -- are very different around the issue of being "faithful." It's literally a matter of eating, of survival.
--- Quote from: vincentric on June 26, 2024, 04:01:51 PM ---... And though it wouldn't be very difficult to arrange, it would still be a pain to have to find a third every time they wanted to have sex ...
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I'm pretty sure it'd be *incredibly* easy for them to set up.
The White Court is chock-full of willing -- in fact, eager! -- mortal partners. $$$ is not an object for them, either. Set up a an apartment next door with 3-4 clued-in models, and most of the time at least one of them is literally just 30 seconds away.
--- Quote from: vincentric on June 26, 2024, 04:01:51 PM --- ... They probably did know that this was a solution but didn't want to resort to it.
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That seems unlikely, tbh. OTOH, I don't have a "likely" seeming alternative to offer.
--- Quote from: vincentric on June 26, 2024, 04:01:51 PM --- ...
I don't remember the random jogger ...
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Very early-on in... I don't actually remember which story. It's while Thomas is living with Harry.
But: Harry comes home grouchy, and a cute girl comes out of the shower. Harry says something biting, the girl snaps back... then concludes that Harry is just Thomas' (gay) lover, being jealous. She calls Thomas "very naughty" or somesuch.
Dina:
Vincentric said what I want to say.
Justine and Thomas always knew how to break the protection. But they did not want to have sex with other people, they want to be faithful. I think it was in GS that Harry saw the moment Justine says something like "enough, I do not want this anymore, let's break the protection and move on". And I always thought it was a practical, rational decision but now I see it as a red flag of Nemesis. They normally are too emotional and do not want to share their lover with anyone else.
Thomas did not have sex with anyone while the True Love was in, that is why he was always hungry. The hairdresser thing only helped him so much.
I do believe that protection is for each member of the pair separately. I think if Susan (after leaving) have had sex with someone, Harry would still be protected until he began sleeping with Luccio.
I also think whampires are perfectly able to love. I do not think Thomas is that special. It is probably very unusual, and in that sense yes, Thomas is special. But physically, it is possible for any of them.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Justine and Thomas always knew how to break the protection. But they did not want to have sex with other people, they want to be faithful. I think it was in GS that Harry saw the moment Justine says something like "enough, I do not want this anymore, let's break the protection and move on". And I always thought it was a practical, rational decision but now I see it as a red flag of Nemesis. They normally are too emotional and do not want to share their lover with anyone else.
Thomas did not have sex with anyone while the True Love was in, that is why he was always hungry. The hairdresser thing only helped him so much.
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But Thomas was always hungry because he tried to not be what he is, a vampire.. I guess the fall back line for Thomas in this case could be the famous President Clinton quote on whether or not he had sex with M.L., "Depends on what your definition of is, is." No, Thomas while feeding didn't have sex as in the classic sense, but while feeding he was giving sexual pleasure... So was it sex or not?
Dina:
Not in the sense that could break the protection. Jim was very clear that it had to be sex (and apparently heterosexual too, because he said something about the potential for creating life).
And Thomas was not hungry by the time he met Harry. He regularly fed from Justine and was ok. It was when the protection kicked that Thomas became hungry because he could not feed from Justine and did not want to cheat on her either. The hair saloon was just a way of survive and be functional, but he was always hungry. He fought every day against temptation and sometimes I feel that is dismissed in the world. In my opinion that makes him one of the strongest characters, at the least in the will department. I suspect that is going to help him inn the future, especially if he ends with a Sword.
Regenbogen:
--- Quote from: Dina on June 27, 2024, 04:32:55 AM ---Not in the sense that could break the protection. Jim was very clear that it had to be sex (and apparently heterosexual too, because he said something about the potential for creating life).
And Thomas was not hungry by the time he met Harry. He regularly fed from Justine and was ok. It was when the protection kicked that Thomas became hungry because he could not feed from Justine and did not want to cheat on her either. The hair saloon was just a way of survive and be functional, but he was always hungry. He fought every day against temptation and sometimes I feel that is dismissed in the world. In my opinion that makes him one of the strongest characters, at the least in the will department. I suspect that is going to help him inn the future, especially if he ends with a Sword.
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I agree. Thomas' will has my deepest respect. His fight against temptation also weakened him. He was less well fed than other Vampires. I have to think of his way to explain to Harry what it is like, when they run on the beach and he empties Harry's water bottle after Harry has just wettet his tongue with a little drop of water.
Very impressive demonstration. Just imagine being that thirsty and having that full bottle of water but you restrain yourself and just take a little sip, while the rest of the water is still there within your reach. And then doing this over a year. Very impressive.
Now that I think about the sex: the random joggers were at the beginning of Dead Beat when Thomas already lived with Harry for one year. Confirmed by the timeline https://www.jim-butcher.com/timeline#sf
During that time, Justine was still at the Raith mansion, recovering from Blood Rites.
I am guessing the (fake) true love magic started after she got better and they started to have sex again. Was this during White Night? If yes, it would be 2 years after Dead Beat.
Thomas moved out at the end of Dead Beat. If I remember correctly, Justine started to be herself again in White Night, when she lead Harry and Carlos to the Raith Deeps. This would also have been the time when she and Thomas started being together again. When did Thomas show Harry the scarf? I'll look it up if I have time and come back to edit.
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