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Harry is a Dad...Again..😳
Mira:
--- Quote from: Regenbogen on June 25, 2024, 01:46:42 PM ---As for why didn't they use other sex partners: no idea. Weird.
When did true love begin: presumably during Blood Rites, BUT I honestly don't believe that it is true love. I think after the almost fatal feeding, Nemesis took over completely and whatever was left of the real Justine (also not sure we have ever seen the real Justine at all) died. The whole true love stuff has been faked by Nemesis. And I hope the pregnancy is also fake, because this would be extremely dark.
Faked true love burn is easy. Any wizard could do it, if they work concentrated and precise. Even the shawl Justine gave to Thomas could just be a cursed object which burns WCVs when their skin is exposed to it.
And I also think, just sleeping with anyone else is too easy. There must be something more behind breaking a true love "curse".
And didn't Thomas regularly have joggers in Harry's bed. I assume they had sex there. So if the curse is broken when one of the partners sleeps with someone else, why did Justine still burn Thomas? Or did he stop having sex with others once he became a hairdresser?
Or do BOTH true love partners need to have sex with others?
Will we ever know?
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He had sexual contact or gave that kind of pleasure to the women who's hair he dressed. Does that count as a sex act? It's what White Court Vamps do, and it is very much about sexual pleasure. And yeah, that's one of my questions as well, is it only the vanilla mortal that can blow the true love protection by being unfaithful? Or is a WCV even capable of feeling true love? Apparently Thomas is, or that may come from his mother. As I said in another post, I wouldn't be shocked if Justine was infested with Nemesis from the very beginning and it was a long term set up for poor Thomas.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 25, 2024, 09:09:59 PM ---He had sexual contact or gave that kind of pleasure to the women who's hair he dressed. Does that count as a sex act? It's what White Court Vamps do, and it is very much about sexual pleasure. And yeah, that's one of my questions as well, is it only the vanilla mortal that can blow the true love protection by being unfaithful? Or is a WCV even capable of feeling true love?
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Based on what we've seen so far, there is no doubt in my mind that WC members are capable, at least in principle, of any human emotion or reaction or experience. They are magically-altered, demon-parasitized human beings. They can be soulgazed, they generate tech bane when they use magic, etc.
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Apparently Thomas is, or that may come from his mother. As I said in another post, I wouldn't be shocked if Justine was infested with Nemesis from the very beginning and it was a long term set up for poor Thomas.
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The only problem with that intriguingly horrible thought is that Thomas experienced the love burn effect with Justine after what happened in Blood Rites. For that to work, the love has to be mutual. So at least at that point, Justine did love Thomas, whatever else Nemesis might or might not have been engaged in.
g33k:
Justine's protections continued even after Thomas was sexually active with others; there were both quick flings (e.g. the jogger he brought back while rooming with Harry) and longer-term but less intense occasions as "Toe-moss" the hairdresser. Thomas' faithfulness doesn't impact Justine's protection.
Presumably, after intimacy with Justine but before he engaged in any sort of erotic intimacy with another party, Thomas himself was protected from other whampires' feeding on (or touching) him.
Mira:
--- Quote ---The only problem with that intriguingly horrible thought is that Thomas experienced the love burn effect with Justine after what happened in Blood Rites. For that to work, the love has to be mutual. So at least at that point, Justine did love Thomas, whatever else Nemesis might or might not have been engaged in.
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Did she? Or can Nemesis mimic true love so that Thomas would truly believe she loved him? Still doesn't answer the question as to why it took years before they figured out that if she simply had a one night stand with somebody they could consummate their true love? He is a White Court Vamp, she has been kine for years, they both know how the protection gig works. I mean, forgive me I don't remember which book, but I remember the scene in a night club, Thomas and Justine were there, she is wearing some kind of rubber suit so he can have his arm around her without burning.. Why the elaborate work around when a meaningless one night stand would do the trick? Years went by between Blood Rites and Ghost Story when we finally see Justine coming home with a girl friend to have sex supposedly in front of Thomas so she and Thomas can then make love? Really? Why did she have to bring her friend home? Couldn't she just have told Thomas? I mean he'd know fairly quickly if her protection was still there. This is also the time when supposedly Harry is dead, but what if through Nemesis, Justine knows he really isn't, that as Winter Knight his star born status will soon be asserting itself in the coming years.. So it's time to begin part two of the plan, set Thomas up for the events in Peace Talks.. Why? Thomas is one of Harry's weaknesses, also divide and distract while they mount an attack at the Gates.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 26, 2024, 11:59:36 AM ---Did she? Or can Nemesis mimic true love so that Thomas would truly believe she loved him? Still doesn't answer the question as to why it took years before they figured out that if she simply had a one night stand with somebody they could consummate their true love? He is a White Court Vamp, she has been kine for years, they both know how the protection gig works. I mean, forgive me I don't remember which book, but I remember the scene in a night club, Thomas and Justine were there, she is wearing some kind of rubber suit so he can have his arm around her without burning.. Why the elaborate work around when a meaningless one night stand would do the trick? Years went by between Blood Rites and Ghost Story when we finally see Justine coming home with a girl friend to have sex supposedly in front of Thomas so she and Thomas can then make love? Really? Why did she have to bring her friend home? Couldn't she just have told Thomas? I mean he'd know fairly quickly if her protection was still there. This is also the time when supposedly Harry is dead, but what if through Nemesis, Justine knows he really isn't, that as Winter Knight his star born status will soon be asserting itself in the coming years.. So it's time to begin part two of the plan, set Thomas up for the events in Peace Talks.. Why? Thomas is one of Harry's weaknesses, also divide and distract while they mount an attack at the Gates.
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If they were truly in love, then they wanted to be faithful to each other. So, there would be no lovers that the others didn't know and approve of. And though it wouldn't be very difficult to arrange, it would still be a pain to have to find a third every time they wanted to have sex. They probably did know that this was a solution but didn't want to resort to it.
I don't remember the random jogger, but Thomas never had intercourse with any of his hair clients and so no physical act there. Jim tends to favor the mechanical over the metaphysical in most of these situations. Harry still loved Susan after hooking up with Luccio, but his protection was broken nonetheless.
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