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Dina:
I am a tad confused here. I always thought that the love one feels is the thing that protects one (after it clicked with a sexual act). But that is not right. We know Harry realized Luccio did not love him when he realized HE was not protected. So it seems LordDresden2 is right, that is the love of your partner which protects you. But I do not think once established the protections lasts pretty much for ever (except sex with other people breaks it). I think it only lasts while you still keep your love. In my opinion, if Harry had stopped loving Susan, his protection would have disappeared, even if Harry had not had sex with other person. Sex with Luccio broke it. And then, sex with Murphy restored it and, I think, it is still happening, because Harry still loves him. But I guess we will have to wait and see.
Also, in case anyone is interested, I have a new theory about how Harry can stop being the WK. It is not my favourite theory but it is a plausible one. Murphy will be back in some way that NOBODY will recognize her. She will be involved in the BAT and, for some reason, she will crossed Mab. Mab will order Harry to take her down, thus breaking their deal of not ordering Harry to lay a hand on someone he loved.

LordDresden2:

--- Quote from: Dina on July 04, 2024, 05:13:15 AM ---I am a tad confused here. I always thought that the love one feels is the thing that protects one (after it clicked with a sexual act). But that is not right. We know Harry realized Luccio did not love him when he realized HE was not protected. So it seems LordDresden2 is right, that is the love of your partner which protects you. But I do not think once established the protections lasts pretty much for ever (except sex with other people breaks it). I think it only lasts while you still keep your love. In my opinion, if Harry had stopped loving Susan, his protection would have disappeared, even if Harry had not had sex with other person.
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I strongly suspect Harry stopped loving Susan after he discovered she had hidden Maggie's existence from him.

But the protection, once formed, isn't in the emotions of the protected, it's in their life-energy.  It's like a suit of armor the other person wrapped around them.  Until it's destroyed/removed/whatever it is that happens, it's there.

Inanimate objects can't love in themselves, but they can be wrapped in that same energy if they become a symbol of mutual love, and it'll burn a WV, as witness Lara's scared hand.  (I still wonder if that wedding ring in question might not have been hers, when she was younger.)


--- Quote ---Also, in case anyone is interested, I have a new theory about how Harry can stop being the WK. It is not my favourite theory but it is a plausible one. Murphy will be back in some way that NOBODY will recognize her. She will be involved in the BAT and, for some reason, she will crossed Mab. Mab will order Harry to take her down, thus breaking their deal of not ordering Harry to lay a hand on someone he loved.

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I could almost imagine that happening, esp. if Mab did it on purpose to produce just exactly that result.  On one level, I'm not sure Mab CAN knowingly break a deal...but then again, is Valkyrie-Murphy Murphy?  Or is it like Odin/Santa?  Fae Law hinges on technicalities and 'from a certain point of view', after all.

I don't think it's an accident, though, that Mab told Harry once that he was the most promising knight she had had since Tam Lin, or words to that effect.  The interesting thing about that is that the story of Tam Lin is about someone who escapes from the control of the Sidhe.

LordDresden2:

--- Quote from: g33k on July 03, 2024, 04:24:48 PM ---I think Mira is right, @LordDresden2 -- you're asserting quite a few things as "fact" that (as best I remember) aren't overtly stated in the books' canon or in WoJ's.

I don't think everything Jim has "implied" to be true in the Dresdenverse actually is true...  And so conclusions from implications seem dubious in the extreme.

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Most of what I said was stated outright in either Blood Rites, White Night, or Turn Coat. Granted, it's stated by characters in story, so it's always possible they're wrong or incomplete, but it's coming from people in a position to know.

It's true that nobody has ever said the protection is eternal, but nobody has ever said, or implied, that it isn't, unless it gets wiped away.  So yeah, maybe it might wear off eventually with time or something, but there's no more evidence for that than against it.

Mira:

--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on July 04, 2024, 05:27:02 AM ---Most of what I said was stated outright in either Blood Rites, White Night, or Turn Coat. Granted, it's stated by characters in story, so it's always possible they're wrong or incomplete, but it's coming from people in a position to know.

It's true that nobody has ever said the protection is eternal, but nobody has ever said, or implied, that it isn't, unless it gets wiped away.  So yeah, maybe it might wear off eventually with time or something, but there's no more evidence for that than against it.

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No, it isn't stated outright in those books, it's your read of what is stated in those books.  Some of us read what was said differently, and what is said is just ambiguous enough that there is truth in both.  The author in a long series has to leave some wiggle room.

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