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Harry is a Dad...Again..😳
g33k:
--- Quote from: Dina on June 22, 2024, 10:10:40 PM --- I am not sure. It does not seem normally orders Harry things that are not his strict job...
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Do we know what Harry's "strict job" (as WK) even is?
I think I recall Bob telling Harry -- back in Summer Knight? -- that the Knight had different specific obligations to each of the 3 Queens; IIRC it was implied that there was no (or very little) overlap. But I don't think we ever heard what those obligations were.
We also know the Knights exists as both a mortal-interface element (interacting with mortals in ways the Queens may not) and explicitly (at least the WK) as a killer; and furthermore, that one of the SK's specific obligations is to act to limit the damages done by the WK.
--- Quote from: Dina on June 22, 2024, 10:10:40 PM --- ... I do not think Harry refusing to obey that command you suggest would be considered Harry rejecting Winter itself.
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I don't expect we're going to see Jim write things such that canon will resolve the question; so unless someone poses it at a signing+Q&A event or an online AMA, I expect the issue will remain both unresolved, and moot. ;)
But remember: Harry had sex as the centerpiece of the WK binding ritual.
I don't think Winter understands or cares about love but I think sex can carry all sorts of potency within Winter (and broadly within Faerie).
I think Winter Law... hmmm; shall we say "takes notice"? ... of sex.
Harry may find himself with a lot less wiggle-room than he's used to.
Dina:
I agree with all what you said, and until it is said in the books. we can especulate. I have the feeling if he Harry had thought that Mab could ask him to rape someone, he would not have considered becoming the WK or he would have make extra conditions in his "deal" with her. In your defense, perhaps Harry thought that Mab won't order him that, even if technically the law would allow her that. I do not know.
Mira:
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But remember: Harry had sex as the centerpiece of the WK binding ritual.
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Yes, he did, but it wasn't against his will, he did it because it was part of the ritual and becoming Winter Knight was the only way to save his daughter. There was no force involved, it was his choice.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 23, 2024, 11:02:36 AM --- Yes, he did, but it wasn't against his will, he did it because it was part of the ritual and becoming Winter Knight was the only way to save his daughter. There was no force involved, it was his choice.
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"Have sex with me or your daughter dies" is pretty God-damned coercive sex; pretty much any parent is "willing" under those circumstances.
Harry had been resisting Mab's overtures for over a decade before that.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on June 23, 2024, 06:38:30 PM ---"Have sex with me or your daughter dies" is pretty God-damned coercive sex; pretty much any parent is "willing" under those circumstances.
Harry had been resisting Mab's overtures for over a decade before that.
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Again, but that really break his true love protection? Key word here, coercive, means it was against his will. Wasn't just his daughter's life, but his, and his grandfather's lives as well, only viable bad choice among some worse choices was to become the Winter Knight. Part of that ritual was having sex with Mab, no choice in that either, if he wanted to become the Winter Knight. Would you call that being unfaithful to his true love? And yes, he would have gone on resisting Mab's overtures, but lives were on the line, his daughter, and his own..
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