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Great another starborn theory, this time with vampires
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on January 29, 2024, 08:06:19 PM ---From memory, Harry didn't advance his questioning (as to Lea's method) far enough to discern this, I think.
My memory, of course, could be faulty.
I believe Bob had asserted that there was no known way to do it (hence, being Harry's assistant as he researched, rather then tutor as he practiced).
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Do you remember which book? My problem is I vaguely remember the passage, but I am not sure which book it comes from. If I knew that, I could go back and read the passage and the context. I agree that Bob said there was no known way to cure the Susan and I seem to remember Lea admitting that what she did wasn't a cure when Harry pushed her on it.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 30, 2024, 12:10:52 PM ---Do you remember which book? My problem is I vaguely remember the passage, but I am not sure which book it comes from. If I knew that, I could go back and read the passage and the context. I agree that Bob said there was no known way to cure the Susan and I seem to remember Lea admitting that what she did wasn't a cure when Harry pushed her on it.
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KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: g33k on January 28, 2024, 09:59:03 PM ---Cite, please? I don't recall this, at all -- that the Red Court was ever composed of half-turned.
The Red King and all the LOON's were full-Ramp, and AFAIK have been so for a long time -- long enough ago that they were well-established as rulers in Mesoamerica when Cortez arrived.
I recall WoJ that they got so powerful by somehow using their venom to addict entities previously worshipped as gods by mesoamericans, and drain that power to use for themselves.
I don't recall this, either.
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It's quite simple, but perhaps I didn't state it clearly. Every member of the Red Court was at one time a human who was bitten by a full member of the Red Court who had authority to make new members. (Side note:) Apparently, Bianca didn't have permission or authority to do this until she was promoted in Grave Peril. I don't recall if it was Thomas or Justine who told Harry about her new ability or authority to create new members of the Red Court.
However, before becoming a full fledged Red Court vampire, each individual is only half-turned. You already know this from Susan's example. Some people who are bitten might make their first kill the night they were bitten while others hold out for years, decades or even centuries, like Martin. So, every member of the Red Court was once only half-turned until they made their first kill.
We don't know if the Red Court could infect a non-human with their bloodlust. We haven't been told if this was possible.
Mira:
--- Quote ---However, before becoming a full fledged Red Court vampire, each individual is only half-turned. You already know this from Susan's example. Some people who are bitten might make their first kill the night they were bitten while others hold out for years, decades or even centuries, like Martin. So, every member of the Red Court was once only half-turned until they made their first kill.
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I don't think it is that simple either as we saw in Grave Peril, RCVs can also apparently choose who they want to feed upon until they die, and those they want to half-turn. Bianca's secretary was not a vampire, nor was she half-turned, and apparently Bianca did sip her blood from time to time. The secretary apparently went along with it because whatever it is in RCV venom, she felt narcotic pleasure and so did Bianca.. However when Harry pissed Bianca off, forcing her to reveal herself in her full form, she lost control and fed on the secretary until she died, for which Bianca blamed Harry. At the party there were many young people whom the RCVs were grooming, when things went to hell many were killed outright and others like Susan were half-turned. Then it seems to come down to will, some join the resistance and others go on to kill and become full vampires.. I don't think that every RCV started out as human and was half turned, is there a word of Jim on this? Nor do I remember exactly where is says that her promotion gave Bianca "permission" to turn and half-turn humans... Or did her promotion merely give her authority to choose who she wanted to recruit and who she wanted merely as food? Another interesting point if I remember correctly from the party, one of the things that Harry and Michael discovered was that the wine was either drugged or poisoned, so many of the young recruits weren't even considered suitable as food.
g33k:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on February 02, 2024, 10:20:56 AM ---It's quite simple, but perhaps I didn't state it clearly. Every member of the Red Court ...
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Ah, I see; TYVM!
To me, the phrase "Red Court" is a bit ambiguous: you might mean "any Rampire, or all collectively," but IMHO it largely implies "the Rampire leadership/nobility" (i.e. leaning in on the Court element). So I had understood you to have meant that the leadership once was composed of half-turned.
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