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Great another starborn theory, this time with vampires
Tinfoil hat:
So starborn have to be sacrificed at the stars and stones right ? RIGHT
Think about it, Lea tells Harry to never let Mab bring him to the altar. And repeats it again in Changes. I don’t think that warning is about him becoming the Winter knight.
There is an old WOJ that Drakul is something inhuman stuffed in a human body. And he is a starborn. Hold that thought.
There is a theory going around that the Red King and Pa Wraith are also starborn. Evidence for this is a) for Pa Wraith the outsider protection thing he has. According to the theory he was a starborn of a previous cycle. Hence his expertise on starborn. He was sacrificed and came back with something extra. The defense thing he has.
As for the Red King his entire motif just gives outsider vibes. Lord of the outer night. Anyone?
Back to Dresden. In the BAT, the Winter Queen has to sacrifice a Starborn. To keep reality going. Hence she takes Harry to the altar and sacrifices him. The he comes back an immortal with something stuffed inside him. This would explain Mab’s advice from BG.
This can explain why Mab wants Harry to kill Molly. She won’t be able to kill Harry a second time this soon.
It also explains a lot of things such as why Harry keeps getting things that whisper in his head. First Lash and now the mantle. Its Uriel helping to prepare Harry for whats to come.
The question becomes whats going to come back with Harry.
But remember that just a Theory a Conspiracy Theory
Mira:
Hasn't Harry already come back? At the end of Changes when he was shot, he was mostly dead, very close to all dead.. He was already Winter Knight when he took that bullet through the heart, would have died then and there on the deck, but fell into the very cold lake before he bled out and into Mab's arms. Hmmm... Wonder if Uriel had anything to do with him stumbling over the side into the water after he was shot?
Yes, I agree, Uriel has had a lot to do with preparing Harry for what is to come. That was the whole point of the risky soul walk about, and Harry came back with a better understanding of what soul fire really is as we saw in Cold Days. He also learned how to keep the darker impulses of the Winter Knight mantle under control. However the White Council doesn't know any of this, they are asking the same question you are asking, except not what will come back with him if he dies again, but what came back with him this last time when he "died."
I think Mab's reasons for wanting Molly dead if she dies are a bit different. Mab is a control freak, and she feels that Molly isn't on the same page as she is.
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 23, 2024, 01:42:26 PM --- Hasn't Harry already come back? At the end of Changes when he was shot, he was mostly dead, very close to all dead.. He was already Winter Knight when he took that bullet through the heart, would have died then and there on the deck, but fell into the very cold lake before he bled out and into Mab's arms. Hmmm... Wonder if Uriel had anything to do with him stumbling over the side into the water after he was shot?
Yes, I agree, Uriel has had a lot to do with preparing Harry for what is to come. That was the whole point of the risky soul walk about, and Harry came back with a better understanding of what soul fire really is as we saw in Cold Days. He also learned how to keep the darker impulses of the Winter Knight mantle under control. However the White Council doesn't know any of this, they are asking the same question you are asking, except not what will come back with him if he dies again, but what came back with him this last time when he "died."
I think Mab's reasons for wanting Molly dead if she dies are a bit different. Mab is a control freak, and she feels that Molly isn't on the same page as she is.
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The idea is that this time Mab/ the Winter Queen will sacrifice him in a ritual. And he dies as in D-E-D. Died. GONE and then comes back with an outsider inside his now immortal body.
In this case if Harry lets it take control he becomes a Monster with a Captail M for emphasis.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on January 24, 2024, 08:25:58 AM ---The idea is that this time Mab/ the Winter Queen will sacrifice him in a ritual. And he dies as in D-E-D. Died. GONE and then comes back with an outsider inside his now immortal body.
In this case if Harry lets it take control he becomes a Monster with a Captail M for emphasis.
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Only problem with that is Mab is fighting Outsiders. So why would she sacrifice Harry to have him come back possessed by an Outsider?
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 24, 2024, 01:23:33 PM --- Only problem with that is Mab is fighting Outsiders. So why would she sacrifice Harry to have him come back possessed by an Outsider?
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Ah that the catch. Magic always has a price.
A starborn is sacrificed to keep the outsiders out but in exchange he/ she brings something back with him.
Plus dolist reason it would mess Harry up. Jim is that much of a bastard to do it
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