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Bob & the Nevernever: Did Jim make another error, or drop a clue?
g33k:
--- Quote from: vincentric on August 18, 2023, 12:34:20 AM --- ... But across the entirety of the Dresden Files, we've never seen it happen. Maybe it's one of those rules, "Fae can't tell a direct lie." or "Circles block magic crossing them." I can accept one, why not the other?
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Indeed! I too can accept that.
But across the entirety of the Dresden files, how many times have we seem Harry explain those other rules (faeries cannot tell a direct lie, circles block magic)? Whether it's Harry explaining to Butters, or Murph, or another character; or narrator-to-reader exposition; we've had each of those rules (and several others) explained many many times.
But all we get, about Bob vs sunlight, is that he's gotta be home before the clock strikes fiat lux. Never any mention, in that context, of why Bob cannot use the means that a bunch of other entities (who all need SPF-infinty sunscreen) use.
Mira:
--- Quote ---But across the entirety of the Dresden files, how many times have we seem Harry explain those other rules (faeries cannot tell a direct lie, circles block magic)? Whether it's Harry explaining to Butters, or Murph, or another character; or narrator-to-reader exposition; we've had each of those rules (and several others) explained many many times.
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At the same time there seem to be exceptions to the rule. The Fae cannot tell a direct lie, but Mab manages to tell indirect ones or ones by omission. When Harry calls her on that, her answer is that it is on him, because he messed up on his question. Or perhaps because she was human once, still is a smidge human, that gives her a loop hole that she will drive through with a truck if she has to.
Circles aren't all powerful either, remember Uriel being amused by Harry's attempt at a circle in Changes?
Conspiracy Theorist:
Remember we are seeing things from Harry’s perspective and he is an unreliable narrator. The universal laws are therefore subject to the observer effect I.e Harry’s interpretation, and that changes over time.
Mab’s capacity to mislead Harry is diminishing as Harry wises up (beyond his ass) indeed Harry is starting to use Mab’s words against her, in The Law her casual reference to the company car is turned against her into a trespass against Winter which she cannot ignore. That annoys her.
Uriel exists simultaneous as the same being in every universe, you probably have to catch him in a circle in every universe. Harry didn’t know that. He does now.
What he knows of Bob’s powers and limitations are what Bob has shown him. Harry is surprised by the Kemmler revelations for example. Bob does not really volunteer information.
Because we haven’t seen it does’t mean it isn’t possible. Or impossible.
Why can Harry and Goodman Grey summon ectoplasm but Bob can’t?
Are the Sanctums Etienne and Harry crafted for Bob exactly the same with exactly the limitations? Bob would try to ensure it isn’t and the fact Harry wouldn’t use a human skull might be the cause. What if the use of mortal remains blocks the ability to draw ectoplasm? Or blocks access from and to the Never Never. So that Bob couldn’t manifest a body and strangle Etienne in his sleep? Ghosts can use their graves (but no one elses) as sanctums so there is some connection
Is the Castle itself a Sanctum? (If it isn’t it would be vulnerable to a dawn attack) if so Bob could manifest a body inside it but arrange d to let Harry know this because he would realise Bob tricked him over the new Sanctum.
Mira:
It had been a while since I read Ghost Story, but as I remember it, the only time Harry describes
Bob with a body, is when he is inside Bob's scull and goes on to also describe the living quarters inside the scull. Not unlike DR Who's Tardis seems to be bigger on the inside than the outside or the scull that we see like the Police Box. I remember Evil Bob running around, but I cannot remember beyond that. However I think that was on a different plane of existence, allowing for Evil Bob to have a body.. Or since he is Evil Bob, he can chose to break the rules that normally define Bob's existence. Otherwise outside of his scull, Bob doesn't have a body, when Harry has given him leave or asked him to explore, he usually has to do it with Mister as a car, he can't just go on his own. In the chase in Skin Game, Bob is still in his scull in a special pack that Butters invented.
Conspiracy Theorist:
That was within Bob’s mind scape but that is Bob’s body image and his likely default form. It’s like the Molly Mindscape in the battle with Corpsetaker.
In Evil Bob’s demesne both Bob and Evil Bob manifested physical form, and you would expect EB to be as vulnerable as Bob, and he put up all those defensed I suspect not to protect from the lecter spectres but from Mab’s agents and to buy him time to escape, but EB does not manifest physically in the mortal world. This may suggest Bob/EB can’t be easily traced in either the NeverNever or the mortal world, but drawing ectoplasm in the mortal world is traceable, but not in the NeverNever.
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