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Bob & the Nevernever: Did Jim make another error, or drop a clue?
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 17, 2023, 10:13:13 AM ---We are told in Skin Game Goodnan Grey pulls in ectoplasm from the Never to increase his mad to that say if a horse. The principle for Bob to create an ectoplasmic body would be identical.
No idea how a shapechanger gets rid of mass though I do note that both LTW and River retained their mass in shapechanging in PT and BG, so I suspect Jim hasn’t figured a convincing explanation either in his own universes rules.
One way would be to convert the mass to energy, but then you need to store that energy and then convert it back into mass, basically teleportation. BG of course contained foreshadowing Harry aging shape shifting and teleportation abilities in the future.
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Notice that Goodman Grey is a corporeal being. Bob is a spirit being. We know that he and Evil Bob can both form bodies once they are in the Never-Never, but not once do they do it in reality.
I think manifesting a body requires a link to reality that only corporeal beings innately possess. Ghosts possess the link because they were once alive and summoned beings get it thru their summoner. Spirits just don't have the required innate link.
Even the greater powers are limited in this way. The Fallen need their Coins and hosts and even Uriel only became solid after investing his abilities in Michael.
And it has to be this way. Otherwise, some minor wizard/warlock/witch would accidentally open a portal to the Never-Never and things would come pouring out.
Conspiracy Theorist:
The link would be through the corporeal parents, their offspring have the body images that their parents had in the same way a ghost would have it’s former bodies image. Bonnie would even have the knowledge and muscle memory of shapeshifting from Lash.
Bob can clearly interact with the physical world even in his sanctum, that is established in Storm Front.
Open a portal and things come pouring out you mean like Austin in Zoo Day?
vincentric:
I've never thought that they can't affect the physical world. We've had plenty of evidence of that. I just think that they can't form ectoplasmic bodies.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Bob can cross to and from the NeverNever, what’s to stop him drawing ectoplasm from the NeverNever? Dawn turns the body to jelly, so does a circle and I would presume a threshold, all drawbacks.
However it may be that the act of drawing ectoplasm exposes Bob to identification and tracing by Mab, so it maybe a matter not so much as can’t but won’t. Bob has a heightened sense of self-preservation (he’s a coward).
However Bob’s service in BG and his adoption of Winter Blue when running the Castle suggests he may no longer be on Mab’s poop list, Harry is being much more relaxed in introducing Bob to people these days.
vincentric:
What's stopping him from forming a body? I don't know. Maybe he makes himself Brad Pitt or Denzel Washington on those nights out and gets it on with the ladies. It's possible.
But across the entirety of the Dresden Files, we've never seen it happen. Maybe it's one of those rules, "Fae can't tell a direct lie." or "Circles block magic crossing them." I can accept one, why not the other?
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