The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
So Fitz is...
Ed0517:
--- Quote --- Somehow he managed not to expose himself when he was a soldier in Viet Nam, or during basic
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--- Quote from: g33k on November 28, 2022, 10:22:19 PM ---
But also (and IMHO the more-likely explanation): the MacFinn curse only affects 1 family member at a time. If the circle was imported by dad/grandpa/etc, maybe one of those elder generations was at home -- inside the intact circle! -- while young Harley was in Basic; then they died, when he was in 'Nam (and he used the curse to take revenge on the Viet Cong).
Then -- being the CEO of a shipping conglomerate -- he was probably eligible to go home and take over the family business.
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I like this explanation. Also explains why centuries later we are not overrun with loup garous. Not all MacFinns are active. Just the heir to the curse, like the heir to a throne.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: g33k on November 28, 2022, 09:45:22 PM ---Yeah, but "considered armed and dangerous" is often enough to get the suspect killed.
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Oh yeah. They go in for suspected warlocks armed for bear. Like cops with an arrest warrant showing up with four of them with flak vests and shotguns and rifles. You want to take them in - but you are prepared to take them down.
But I think Kim could be cowed and go along with them.
--- Quote ---Harry expected that the kind of summoning-circle she was proposing would be taken as proof of guilt, and she'd be executed for it.
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might not be - so long as it had not been used.
Mira:
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But note, with Harry's nice silver circle, minor practitioner would have been able to cage Chauncey. So materials do count.
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Yes, Harry says as much when he mentions that he upgraded his circle. While yeah, possible that Finn brought his circle with him, what doesn't make any sense is him buying that Kim could fix it once it was broken. Nor do I buy that Finn didn't understand how the magic worked, too much was riding on that circle being whole. So was Kim in fact just a clever hustler with some magical ability? I'd say no, because supposedly she believed in the environmental cause that Finn championed. I think one thing was true, she had no clue as to what that circle was built for. She may have known Terra West and thought a Loop was just a male version of her, dangerous but not a monster. If Harry had no clue as to what a Loop was until Bob explained it to him, Kim didn't know. However her attitude had something in common with Molly's attitude, and I think if she had by some miracle pulled off that circle, she would be on her way to warlockhood.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 29, 2022, 03:22:34 AM --- ... While yeah, possible that Finn brought his circle with him, what doesn't make any sense is him buying that Kim could fix it once it was broken. Nor do I buy that Finn didn't understand how the magic worked, too much was riding on that circle being whole ...
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How and where would MacFinn have learned such magic? MacFinn was the victim of a curse, subject to someone else's magic. MacFinn had no way to do magic.
He knew the circle needed to be intact... but he could check that with a simple inspection. He could make an ordinary circle (like any other mortal could), but he had no magical talent, he couldn't do a working, create a greater circle. If there was magical construction to be done, energies used, then MacFinn was as helpless as any other mortal.
As an analogy: plenty of professional drivers -- for example -- don't understand how cars work; not to the degree needed to repair their own vehicle that they need to make a living; air into the tires, add fluids, maybe even oil changes &c... But they have to take it to a mechanic to do the substantive work.
Mira:
--- Quote ---How and where would MacFinn have learned such magic? MacFinn was the victim of a curse, subject to someone else's magic. MacFinn had no way to do magic.
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Sorry, wasn't clear, one can understand something, even how it works, but that doesn't mean one is able to fix it. If hemophilia ran in my family for generations, while I am not a hematologist, I'd educate myself to understand what it is, and whether or not there was a cure or a way to control it. That is just something you'd do if you knew it ran in your family, I doubt that the MacFinns were any different. So for over the thousand years or so the MacFinn family has been cursed, I imagine they have looked into ways to lift the curse, then into ways to mitigate it as much as possible. What did they learn? If they couldn't get the curse lifted, at least they could protect others and themselves from attack with the circle. They might know what that circle looked like and the materials to make it. However the MacFinns weren't wizards, as Harry tried to tell Kim, activating such a circle isn't as simple as your ordinary chalk circle, it takes knowledge and experience.
In my opinion, since that circle was so vital to his protection and the protection of others, Finn would have fully understood that it was no ordinary circle and needed a fully qualified wizard to build and activate it. So why was he messing with someone like Kim? Yeah, she believed in his cause and wouldn't give him away, but I believe it would soon be obvious to him that she had no clue as to how to go about building his circle. I don't think he was that stupid or naive to think she was qualified, I believe he was desperate. I believe that Kim was as dishonest with him as she was with Harry. She could have told him about Harry and that he could be trusted, she didn't, she believed she could handle it, if she survived, I think she would have eventually become a warlock.
--- Quote ---As an analogy: plenty of professional drivers -- for example -- don't understand how cars work; not to the degree needed to repair their own vehicle that they need to make a living; air into the tires, add fluids, maybe even oil changes &c... But they have to take it to a mechanic to do the substantive work.
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Using your analogy, while your professional driver might not be able to repair their car, they understand how it works and enough about how that car is put together. He'd know the difference between a mechanic qualified[/i ]to do the repairs on his high powered car, and a neighborhood guy who tinkers with his car on weekends doing simple repairs. So off the top Harry says that wizards don't talk about the kinds of things that circle contains. He also says wizards who build those kinds of circles are suspect because of what the circles are used for. I bet that Finn knew that as well. I bet from experience and family knowledge, because of the reasons already listed, it is almost impossible to find a qualified wizard to agree to build one in the first place. So he may have assumed though he was in the phone book under "W" that Harry was a crackpot. But why didn't he at least give him a shot instead of the unqualified Kim? Maybe he didn't bother to look in the phone book?
Never fully answered, was who knew what he was and who wrecked his circle? Or knew enough about magic to know what it did? The same guys that brought us the belts?
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