The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
So Fitz is...
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on November 22, 2022, 06:25:08 PM --- ... How else did the summoning rite for Chauncy get out into the mortal world? ...
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Hell itself has strong interest in having these sorts of summonings available to mortals -- and has the means to get them into mortals' hands!
Harry says:
--- Quote ---Chaunzaggoroth was a popular source of information among wizards who went to the underworld in need of it.
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I think it safe to presume there are (at least) dozens of such relatively-well-known & relatively-oft-summoned demons, each with (at least) dozens of people in possession of a summoning ritual. Information-brokers, like Chauncy. Hexing/Cursing sorts, for those seeking vengeance. Incubi/succubi answering to the Sin of Lust. Etc.
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on November 24, 2022, 02:56:35 PM ---The books tell you how summoning got out to the general public. A plan by the White Council to weaken the process by having everyone trying to do it.(Maybe White Knight or possibly earlier, I forget)
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I think that was a specific tactic for specific beings. Unique entities, whose summonings could be undercut by having many individual castings.
Entities like Chauncy are more dime-a-dozen, and it's exponentially harder when you have to potentially have dozens (or hundreds?) of such entities whose summoning's you have to undercut.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on November 24, 2022, 12:34:58 AM ---Well someone is out there, handing out summoning rituals, magic books and wolf- skin belts probably just for the hell of it to sow discord. Almost as if they were a Demi- God of discord resident in Chicago. This may be Nameless/Cowls weakness, he can’t help sowing discord even if it isn’t part of a larger scheme, like undermining the Winter Court with the Nemesis Athame, or seeking out The Word to remove the qualifier from god, or setting the White Court and White Council at each other’s throats. How many of the events in Chicago that have impinged upon Harry are due to Nameless indirectly?
I have suggested he pushed Maeve in Summer Knight towards her course of action, did he hook Marcone up with the Church Mice and then alert the Denarians just for fun? Was he behind the dogknapping of the puppies? The Circle/Black seem to have been behind it in Zoo Day. Before Changes Nameless/Cowl may have been responsible to some degree for most of Harry’s Files, some by design, some just for gun.
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It's worth noticing, I think, that the whole "Black Council" thing -- Harry's name for Harry's theoretical group (and maybe Eb's) -- is largely based on circumstantial evidence, on inference. Note also that the "Circle" mentioned in the conversation between Vito & Madrigal doesn't seem to exist: Vito went to Cowl, and their conversation made it clear that Vito was explicitly misleading Madrigal, who had no idea what was actually going on. Also worth noting on this topic is that Harry doesn't know anything about the Grey Council, or who is on it, besides what he gets from Eb (and that he saw Odin at Chichén Itzá); if Eb is a bad-guy (or just trying to protect Harry by keeping him in the dark (where have we seen that before?)) it could be that Eb thought a nice fat non-existent conspiracy (with lots of meaningless coincidences to investigate) might be better than having Harry cast a wider net.
It doesn't actually seem like there's more than can be explained by (as you suggest above) "a demigod of Discord resident in Chicago" (it's also worth noting, though, that Greek Eris & Roman Discordia were female -- I'm sure Jim knows this! -- and wondering why Nameless isn't female ... ). He can get outsized results -- and a variety of results -- by powering-up the low-level mortal casters, and by manipulating the bigger powers, etc... thus making it SEEM like there's some "Black Council" (or "Circle") at work... thus schismatizing the White Council.
Throwing some extra discord into Chicago, onto Dresden's shoulders, also thus isolates him from the White Council, and even from the Grey -- Discord for everyone!
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 24, 2022, 03:17:42 PM ---What I'd like to know is how Kim managed to sell him on the idea that she was even remotely qualified to help him?
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I expect MacFinn knew relatively-little about magic, beyond his family curse. It's entirely possible Kim was capable of some magic that's flashy or showy, and could impress MacFinn. Maybe she was a sensitive, and could see the curse, impress him that way. Lots of ways, really.
--- Quote from: Mira on November 24, 2022, 03:17:42 PM --- ... Good point, the circle isn't portable, and since it wasn't in a hundred year old building, who set it up to begin with and why? And how did Finn learn about it?
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MacFinn's circle just wasn't easily portable, "fold-it-up-and-slip-it-in-your-pocket" portable.
But remember, Marcone had an entire stone castle brought from the Old World to Chicago!
One big stone flagstone? Yeah, that actually ships from Ireland to Chicago pretty easily...
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I presume MacFinn (or an ancestor) got it made for them.
At a guess, it's work by a wizard of the White Council -- they seem to have a monopoly on Euro-wizarding.
It's always possible that it was acquired some other way, or from some other source.
I had been thinking that it was likely by a weaker wizard than Harry, since it's got all this gold & gems & other needless folderol. Harry was going to whip up a replacement with chalk and some river stones! But then I realized: Harry planned be there to cast the circle, and hold it. It's likely that a circle made for a muggle to use would need all the fancy enhancements.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I expect MacFinn knew relatively-little about magic, beyond his family curse. It's entirely possible Kim was capable of some magic that's flashy or showy, and could impress MacFinn. Maybe she was a sensitive, and could see the curse, impress him that way. Lots of ways, really.
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Finn was no wizard, but he had put together elements of the circle to contain himself in the woods when Harry found him. Somehow he managed not to expose himself when he was a soldier in Viet Nam, or during basic.. I also doubt Kim was the first magical person Finn ever ran into. He knew what kind of circle was needed to contain him, no, I think he knew a lot more than you think unless the curse was age sensitive, say he was free of it until he hit the age of 35 or something like that. Which makes sense, one way to beat the curse is not to have children, many become fathers before the age of 40.
--- Quote ---MacFinn's circle just wasn't easily portable, "fold-it-up-and-slip-it-in-your-pocket" portable.
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No, then who built it there in the first place? Why? How did Finn know about it?
--- Quote ---But remember, Marcone had an entire stone castle brought from the Old World to Chicago!
One big stone flagstone? Yeah, that actually ships from Ireland to Chicago pretty easily...
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That's a possible way, if that is what he did, he must have hauled it all over the world with him.
--- Quote ---I had been thinking that it was likely by a weaker wizard than Harry, since it's got all this gold & gems & other needless folderol. Harry was going to whip up a replacement with chalk and some river stones! But then I realized: Harry planned be there to cast the circle, and hold it. It's likely that a circle made for a muggle to use would need all the fancy enhancements.
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Harry was going to try.. Materials are important,and maybe just just useless bling in this case. Remember I think it was after Harry was made a Warden and had a regular paycheck, one of the first things he did was upgrade the circle in his basement to silver, I cannot remember what it was made of before, but I remember him saying that the silver made a stronger circle.
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