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In defense of the WC

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Ed0517:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 15, 2022, 06:51:58 PM ---There is no Molly, there is only the Winter Lady. 

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Not yet. Even Mab points out she was once mortal. There is not much mortal left in Mab, but a tiny spark exists. Molly is still a candle worth at least. It may die in time. But it may not, either.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 15, 2022, 11:25:28 PM --- yes, but my point it is a favor not an order. The Lady orders the Knight, she owes him nothing, it is his job, Molly asks Harry a favor, she owes him one (or one he owed her is now paid up)
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But Faerie Law governs "favors."  It isn't a Lady/Knight matter of the Mantles, but the Mantles bind them both to Faerie Law.  If Harry owes Molly a favor, it doesn't matter to Faerie Law that they are friends; nor even that they are Knight & Lady.  The obligations (of Molly collecting on a Favor owed her, and not Harry not cheating on a Favor he owes) is binding upon both of them.

vincentric:

--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 15, 2022, 11:27:49 PM ---Not yet. Even Mab points out she was once mortal. There is not much mortal left in Mab, but a tiny spark exists. Molly is still a candle worth at least. It may die in time. But it may not, either.

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Harry's greatest power may be that every entity in the Supernatural that he works with gets more in touch with humanity. Perhaps the greatest ability of a Starborn  might be to gather alliances among those that have constraints or only partial free will through association.

Mira:

--- Quote from: vincentric on August 16, 2022, 02:11:29 PM ---Harry's greatest power may be that every entity in the Supernatural that he works with gets more in touch with humanity. Perhaps the greatest ability of a Starborn  might be to gather alliances among those that have constraints or only partial free will through association.

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  I agree.

g33k:

--- Quote from: vincentric on August 16, 2022, 02:11:29 PM ---  Harry's greatest power may be that every entity in the Supernatural that he works with gets more in touch with humanity. Perhaps the greatest ability of a Starborn  might be to gather alliances among those that have constraints or only partial free will through association.
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Hmmmmmm...

Given that one of the big "benefits" that Nemfection offers to the powerful immortals is that they can violate many of their strictures (e.g. Maeve gloried in being able to overtly lie), which is in many ways a restoration of their lost "free will," ...
...

What if the Starborn is actually an empowerment of/by the Outsiders themselves?
What if becoming a "Destroyer" is actually the normal, natural, & expected state of any Starborn?

It would go a long, long ways toward explaining why so very many of the more-informed wizards &c seem to be expecting the worst of Harry...
 

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