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In defense of the WC
Mira:
--- Quote ---As Mab had suspected and predicted, she didn't need to have any "favors" from Harry to get him to take the WK Mantle.
She was just using those favors to test (and begin training) her Knight-to-be.
In then end, Harry summoned Mab, and asked to become her Knight.
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Yes, she did need those favors, that is why she got them from Lea. Yes, while Mab wanted and perhaps foresaw Harry as her Knight some day, she also knew that if she didn't hold him to the obligation of those favors, he'd have told her to go fish.. Harry wouldn't volunteer to submit to her requests otherwise. Yes, in the end he did summon Mab and asked to become her Knight. Not because she trained him, she did keep pushing him that he'd be her Knight some day, but had nothing to do with his decision. It was simply the least bad option he had to saving his daughter. And let me remind you, he still tried to get out of it, that is why he asked Kincaid to kill him after Maggie was saved and had Molly wipe his memory because he thought that would hide from Mab that he was trying to get out of it once Maggie was safe.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 15, 2022, 03:01:00 AM ---No, I think they can order Court business, but not other matters. For example, Molly is really busy, and realizes she forgot to get a present for Michael's birthday tomorrow, she asks Harry if he will do her a favor and pick up tickets for Cubs Opening Day. That isn't the Lady. It's not Court business. It's a favor between friends.
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There is no Molly, there is only the Winter Lady. There are no favors, there are only mutual obligations. This is the story that Butcher has wrote. This comes up in the universe when they talk about the Accords. There is no spirit of the Accords, there is only what Mab has decreed.
In my personal canon this is what Butcher means by free will. The ability to act, to pick up a loaf of bread on the way home as an act of friendship without incurring an obligation. Something I believe the Fey can't do. There is always a price.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 15, 2022, 02:56:15 AM --- ... there's no Molly left. Only the Lady
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This is incorrect. It may, eventually, become true.
But for now, there is still a fair bit of Molly in the Winter Lady:
"When I spent time with my parents, my brothers and sisters, I… remembered things. Floods of memories that were attached to the emotions I felt when around my family."
&
Mab's advice to “Let the mortal die. She will not be of use to you.”
Remember Bob telling Harry, "Welcome to the new Maeve, same as the old Maeve." ?
That's not what happened. Instead, we've got:
--- Quote ---He paused for a moment, staring intently at me with his one eye, his gaze penetrating. When he finally spoke, he spoke slowly and quietly.
“You aren’t much like the last Lady, are you,” he said.
“No,” I replied. “I am not.”
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Conspiracy Theorist:
Molly has found new depths to the Winter Lady Mantle, The Good People showed that in the overly aggressive gift giving.
The Mantle is changing Molly, but is Molly changing the Mantle? There are restrictions upon the Winter Lady but are there parts of the Mantle which have never been used by any of her predecessors?
There is also the thought that the Mantles may evolve as belief in them does. If so is Molly literally tapping into the belief generated by Frozen?
Molly also has a connection through her father to the White God that is clear from Proven Guilty, if the White God had a hand in making the Mantles, has he been subtly pushing Molly in this direction all along, not the Winter Lady Mab wanted, but the one she needed for this time? Why save Molly if her eventual fate is dire?
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 15, 2022, 09:20:18 AM ---Yes but under Winter Law that obligation still needs to be discharged.
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yes, but my point it is a favor not an order. The Lady orders the Knight, she owes him nothing, it is his job, Molly asks Harry a favor, she owes him one (or one he owed her is now paid up)
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