The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
In defense of the WC
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 14, 2022, 08:26:54 PM --- I think in Harry's case, Mab did keep moving the goal posts a bit to reach her own goal of having him as her Knight. It is a perfect lesson in why you shouldn't bargain with the Fae.. Harry would do as asked thinking favor two or favor three were wiped off the slate only to have Mab said the favor wasn't because of a detail or two..
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As Mab had suspected and predicted, she didn't need to have any "favors" from Harry to get him to take the WK Mantle.
She was just using those favors to test (and begin training) her Knight-to-be.
In then end, Harry summoned Mab, and asked to become her Knight.
Much like Marcone's prediction that he would never need to kill Harry, that Harry's own predilections -- for unbending defiance to forces greater than he, disrespecting them to their faces and foolishly fighting to the death -- would get him killed; Mab bet the subtler bet: that before they managed to kill him, he would be faced with forces not even his own foolishness could think he could conquer... and he would realize he needed the Mantle she offered. Mab won the bet (and so did Marcone, for that matter; in the same book!)
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 14, 2022, 12:57:47 PM --- (Dresden Files) (p. 155). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition. My statement isn't about what Molly will do, it's a statement about what Molly could do if she chose to. And Winter Law would keep Harry from saying no.
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If she chooses to ..... there's no Molly left. Only the Lady
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on August 14, 2022, 02:59:37 PM ---All I'm saying is that their relationship makes favors redundant, be that friendship or work relationship. Remember Mab's offer of canceling the three favors in exchange for his service as a knight? Mab doesn't have to ask Harry for favors, she can order him to do what she wants, and in return she has a specific set of obligations towards him. Same goes for the other two queens.
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No, I think they can order Court business, but not other matters. For example, Molly is really busy, and realizes she forgot to get a present for Michael's birthday tomorrow, she asks Harry if he will do her a favor and pick up tickets for Cubs Opening Day. That isn't the Lady. It's not Court business. It's a favor between friends.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 15, 2022, 03:01:00 AM ---No, I think they can order Court business, but not other matters. For example, Molly is really busy, and realizes she forgot to get a present for Michael's birthday tomorrow, she asks Harry if he will do her a favor and pick up tickets for Cubs Opening Day. That isn't the Lady. It's not Court business. It's a favor between friends.
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Yes but under Winter Law that obligation still needs to be discharged.
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 15, 2022, 09:20:18 AM ---Yes but under Winter Law that obligation still needs to be discharged.
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--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 15, 2022, 09:20:18 AM ---Yes but under Winter Law that obligation still needs to be discharged.
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The way jim writes that favour will bite harry in the ass. Harry can the favour to molly the winter lady but she isnt always molly sometimes its just the winter lady. My take is that when she collects, molly wont want to do it but the mantle will force her to. Jim writes with what will pain harry the most.
I can imagine him laughing as harry and molly cry about the favour
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