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In defense of the WC
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on August 14, 2022, 02:59:37 PM ---All I'm saying is that their relationship makes favors redundant, be that friendship or work relationship. Remember Mab's offer of canceling the three favors in exchange for his service as a knight? Mab doesn't have to ask Harry for favors, she can order him to do what she wants, and in return she has a specific set of obligations towards him. Same goes for the other two queens.
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No Mab can only order Harry to the extent required by Winter law, it binds her as well as Harry. Mab could not order Harry to wear a hat there, is no requirement to do so under Winter Law. Even the redcap does so voluntarily.
She could however order him to wear Winter livery, that would be part of Winter Law.
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Fcrate:
No difference there. Even if Mab was owed a favor, she could not order him to go against Winter Law. No Winter creature can go against it, not even Harry, and he's just an attaché.
morriswalters:
Fcrate is correct in this. The Queens can't do favors. There is always a quid pro quo, a price to be paid for anything granted. So Harry incurred an obligation when he got the ring from Molly. Molly has to collect for that obligation. She has no choice in the matter and neither does Harry. That particular coin is stored in her change purse for a time of need.
How that plays out in the plot is anyone's guess. Winter Law is meaningless given that we don't know what Winter Law is, except for the things already revealed.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on August 14, 2022, 02:59:37 PM ---All I'm saying is that their relationship makes favors redundant, be that friendship or work relationship. Remember Mab's offer of canceling the three favors in exchange for his service as a knight? Mab doesn't have to ask Harry for favors, she can order him to do what she wants, and in return she has a specific set of obligations towards him. Same goes for the other two queens.
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"Favors" aren't at all redundant; they seem to be something like currency among the Fae. And they are bound by faerie Law.
A faerie who does a "favor" is owed a favor in return (the other party is in debt); the faerie who holds a debt is, evidently, obligated to collect that debt (Molly warns Harry about this, before creating the doppelganger-glamour).
But I think the "three favors" between Harry & Mab aren't exactly replaced by the WK Mantle. The Mantle is wholly a thing of Winter Law, but Mab's "favors" might have been anything. Now she is limited to the legalities of the Winterfae, the roles of Queen and Knight. There are a tremendous number of nuances and loopholes in those limitations, but Harry is (gradually) finding his way through them. I think it entirely unlikely Mab would have done very much (if anything) NOT in accord with Winter Law, even with a wide-open "favor" to request; but I think she could have, and that (by virtue of filtering through a mortal) wouldn't have been a violation of Winter Law.
Mira:
I think in Harry's case, Mab did keep moving the goal posts a bit to reach her own goal of having him as her Knight. It is a perfect lesson in why you shouldn't bargain with the Fae.. Harry would do as asked thinking favor two or favor three were wiped off the slate only to have Mab said the favor wasn't because of a detail or two..
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