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Star Born (direct quotes compilation)
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 02, 2022, 12:05:08 PM ---I don't disagree, however I would add that the White Council wanted to be part of this game as well. I has written a while back that they also had intended to use Margaret to get their own advantage. That is why she rebelled in the first place against them and for a while went off the deep end. Then she stumbled across pure goodness, it changed her and in her love for Malcolm she decided that mankind was worth saving. There was better way to throw a monkey wrench in everyone's plans,which the conception with Malcolm and birth of Harry did.
The series has also has balance as a consistent theme, with Malcolm as Harry's father Margaret balanced out the darkness with the light. Oh Harry does have many of the dark qualities that make a star born, but he also has just as many of the qualities that make up a good man from his father.
This is what sets him apart from the rest of the star born. However none of it explains why no one will sit him down and tell him the truth about what he is and what he was meant to do.
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I agree that the White Council and "others" have plans for Harry that don't involve him being an agent of destruction...at least to them and the world at large. Rashid is a prime example of what happens when things work out it seems. Drakul is possibly the opposite...although I would bet there are far more examples.
I think it must be difficult to identify star born up to a point...similar to how Rashid even struggles to detect Nemesis (or Uriel for that matter). Obviously people know about Harry now that he is starting to use that power, but I wonder about others. Because Elaine could be yet has seemingly remained undetected by the White Council (although not by the Black Council perhaps). Obviously Outsiders know them, considering the power star born can wield against them. But I wonder how easy it is to find them? To identify them once found? Particularly if they haven't been using their power.
Not so sure I agree that Margaret was intended to be used by the White Council, but it's possible. I think she rebelled for far more ordinary reasons though, like having an authoritarian mentor/parent and disliking how the Council operates and bullies others...just like Harry. Ebenezar and Luccio effectively tell us this anyway.
I think it's fairly clear why no one is telling Harry just yet:
1. If a being is a potential antichrist and doesn't yet know their nature...is it wise (or even ethical) to alert them?
2. If said being is already a bit rash at times, pathologically determined to do what they believe is "right", and already playing in the grey areas quite a bit (let alone fairly dark associations), is it so hard to understand why those who know might be hesitant to tell said person?
3. Listens-to-Wind and River Shoulders both implied that telling Harry has far reaching implications and it isn't up to any one person to reveal it - even the bad guys seem to be in on this. I suspect it's because once a being "knows" it changes the course of history which is exceedingly dangerous. Think about the Oblivion War. Some information is too dangerous to even exist in the minds of humans...because humans have free will (which is just so much power). Power to change the universe, to write destiny. I'd say this information is of that category.
4. It could also be a prophecy-type deal that once the person is told, it certain events in motion, and maybe everyone is building up their forces and defenses to ensure that they are ready for what comes next. Several beings have hinted they want as much power as possible when things kick off. Titania also implied to Mab that some sort of threshold had been crossed, a milestone that means those very things are about to happen (relatively speaking).
Mira:
--- Quote ---Not so sure I agree that Margaret was intended to be used by the White Council, but it's possible. I think she rebelled for far more ordinary reasons though, like having an authoritarian mentor/parent and disliking how the Council operates and bullies others...just like Harry. Ebenezar and Luccio effectively tell us this anyway.
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The evidence for that is in my opinion is the fact that she apparently knew the significance of on and how to conceive of one. Now it is possible I guess that it was Lord Raith that was pushing her for this. Wouldn't he have loved a star born child that he could use as a weapon? Provided of course it was female, a male child especially a star born one would have been seen as a threat. So I don't think that happened, and while the idea of star born children may be general knowledge, the details of how to conceive one is another matter. Apparently the Senior Council has this knowledge, Eb wasn't a member at that time, but as Blackstaff with the job perhaps of taking one out from time to time, he'd need the knowledge. I think the real reason the Merlin wanted Eb to observe and possibly wipe out young Harry wasn't because he feared he'd revert to warlock, but because he knew Harry was star born. And just how did that know this? I mean they may have had Harry's birthday, but did they have the other information about him? That tells me they knew very well what Margaret had done, and had been a part of it at one time.
--- Quote ---I think it must be difficult to identify star born up to a point...similar to how Rashid even struggles to detect Nemesis (or Uriel for that matter). Obviously people know about Harry now that he is starting to use that power, but I wonder about others. Because Elaine could be yet has seemingly remained undetected by the White Council (although not by the Black Council perhaps). Obviously Outsiders know them, considering the power star born can wield against them. But I wonder how easy it is to find them? To identify them once found? Particularly if they haven't been using their power.
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Is it? I mean several characters have come out and called Harry a star born without much trouble. Harry doesn't have a tat too on his forehead proclaiming it, so without additional information how did they know? Now HWWB didn't seem to have any trouble, though he didn't come right out and call him a star born. Do Outsiders make a habit of visiting and checking out possible star born confidantes?
--- Quote ---4. It could also be a prophecy-type deal that once the person is told, it certain events in motion, and maybe everyone is building up their forces and defenses to ensure that they are ready for what comes next. Several beings have hinted they want as much power as possible when things kick off. Titania also implied to Mab that some sort of threshold had been crossed, a milestone that means those very things are about to happen (relatively speaking).
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But Harry has always known since White Knight that he was different because of how his mother and father conceived him, he had power over Outsiders. Also from the soul gaze with Thomas, Margaret told him that it might be unfair the burden her and his father placed on him. Also in Harry's vision/dream of Malcolm, he repeated what Margaret said. As late as Peace Talks Eb told Harry he can deal with Outsiders, yet Harry hasn't used that knowledge to go Outsider hunting.
So he knows quite a bit, but unless there is some more to the huge reveal, why not tell him? I think a lot of people will have a lot to answer for once Harry knows, that is why no one is sitting him down and telling him the whole truth.. I include the Winter Court in that, I think they had a lot to do with why Margaret ultimately made her decision.. Andthat'swhy Harry is really going to be pissed at Lea for becoming his godmother, he is going to be pissed at the whole Winter Court.. Hell yeah, he will feel used and abused in the typical fashion that only Harry Dresden can feel.. ::)
Conspiracy Theorist:
Not Winter, Lea. Not everything Lea does is on behalf of Winter.
The deal Lea made with Harry was with her, not Winter. It’s transfer to Winter was part of the price Lea paid to be free of Nemesis. This doesn’t mean that the deal Lea made with Margaret was with Winter, or part of the price Lea paid. Harry was not part of that deal, he cut his own with Lea.
What did Mab get with it eventually ? A competent Winter Knight and Winter Lady. There is nothing else she needs. Lea’s deal with Margaret if about Maggie, is not about Winter, it’s about Lea, and as such neither Mab nor Molly will interfere as it her personal business, not Winters Business.
We will I think see a Battle Royale between Harry and Lea at some point, the problem is Lea is immortal, Harry is not. It may be this is what gets Harry to release Ethnui, to take in Lea, and bring her to Demonreach. We haven’t seen Lea take on Ethnui, she was at the Gates during the Battle of Chicago, and we have had foreshadowing of the release of Ethnui.
And Mab will sit back and do nothing.
vincentric:
Somehow I doubt that Lea vs Ethniu would last as long as Titania, Vadderung and Erlking vs Ethniu did.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Exactly, even a weakened Ethnui minus the Eye would be able to take out Lea easily. She’s stronger than the Erl King and Kringle, but nowhere near as strong as Mab
The way to stop a bound Ethnui attack is to kill Harry, so ideally Harry would send Ethnui out from one of his strongholds, preferably Demonreach to bring her back to him. I can seriously see a pissed off Harry having Lea physically dragged through the lake bed by Ethnui to Demonreach to be given over to Alfred. Nice way of weakening Leas will.
That way we get a Battle of wills as Harry binds Lea (my money’s on Harry, he faced down Lea before and won over the mushrooms.
Ethnui does solve the problem of Alfred not being able to reach beyond the Lakeshore. Harry can send a bound Ethnui out so long as he is safe. If he dies with Ethnui out, Ethnui would be free again.
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