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Is Lasciel really a fallen angel?
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 29, 2021, 08:23:55 AM --- ... Inhabiting Marcone is like hitting the lottery for a Denarian...
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Agreed... long-term, John could become as potent for Namshiel as Nicodemus has been for Anduriel.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 29, 2021, 08:23:55 AM --- ... If Mab can, she will hammer him, she owes him and she pays her debts ...
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Do we know for sure that it was Namshiel at the assault on Arctis Tor?
I expect that *Mab* knows; but do we?
g33k:
--- Quote from: I_hate_lotr on December 27, 2021, 03:31:05 AM --- Lasciel is repeatedly called a her or she. The only problem is Angel's are not female. When they took on human form to create nephilim they took on male form. So if she isn't an angel, what is she?
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I don't think most Angels even have "gender" in the human sense; when/if they do, I don't think it's exclusively male.
But in the end, it doesn't really matter what real-world pin-dancing we do: as noted above by @Ed0517, at least one Dresdenverse angel was explicitly seen as female, so we KNOW for a fact they can be female in the Dresdenverse.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: g33k on January 26, 2022, 01:42:16 AM ---Do we know for sure that it was Namshiel at the assault on Arctis Tor?
I expect that *Mab* knows; but do we?
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Nothing is ever explicit in the Dresden Files but this is pretty close. Certainly Harry was quick to reveal to her that Marcone had accepted the coin. The is the compelling text.
--- Quote ---“The Black Council attack on Arctis Tor,” I said. “One of them used Hellfire.”
Mab showed me her snow-white teeth. “The Watchman and I,” Grimalkin mewled for her, “had a common enemy this day. The enemy could not be allowed to gain the power represented by the child Archive.”
I frowned and thought of the silver hand that had batted the fallen angel and his master sorceries around as if he’d been a stuffed practice dummy. “Thorned Namshiel.”
Mab’s eyes flashed with sudden, cold fury and frost literally formed over every surface of the chapel, including upon my own eyelashes.
“There are others yet who will pay for what they have done,”
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Mira:
--- Quote ---Do we know for sure that it was Namshiel at the assault on Arctis Tor?
I expect that *Mab* knows; but do we?
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Nothing "confirmed" as in eye witnesses I guess you could say. However "hellfire" was used and it is implied that that is more of a wizard thing. Harry, because he is a wizard was able to use it when given access by Lasciel, so it is implied that it was Namshiel who used it at Arctis Tor. At the same time we don't know who else among the Denarians have that capability.
morriswalters:
It's not about who can throw hellfire, it's about who could throw hellfire at Arctis Tor. Thorned Namshiel was granted the power to run the spell at the Shedd, thus he we know he had the power to do it, much in the same way Lily gave Harry the power to throw Summer fire at the Scarecrow and the Wellspring.
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