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Is Lasciel really a fallen angel?

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Mira:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 26, 2022, 07:19:53 PM ---It's not about who can throw hellfire, it's about who could throw hellfire at Arctis Tor.  Thorned Namshiel was granted the power to run the spell at the Shedd, thus he we know he had the power to do it, much in the same way Lily gave Harry the power to throw Summer fire at the Scarecrow and the Wellspring.

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The point is, if the number of Denarians who are Hellfire capable are limited, that narrows down considerably who threw Hellfire at Arctis Tor.  Example, it only three Denarians have the power to throw Hellfire, and only Denarians or wizards possessed by the Shadow of a Denarian, and up to that time there was only one, [Harry] then it has to be one of the four.. Process of elimination. I think it is a little different from Summer Fire.. But again only a limited number of suspects.

Conspiracy Theorist:
It’s only three Denarians we know about.

Does even Nicky/Anduriel  know where all the coins are? No because of Marcone.

We could posit a Black Council Wizard or Warlock Denarian able to wield Hellfifire who Nicky knows absolutely nothing about, he could account for the known Denarian practitioners and none of them were there. That’s what worried him a rogue coin in hands he can’t control.

We have only seen a percentage of the Denarians at any one time, we have never seen them all together. There could be a small faction working their own game.

For all we know Cowl is actually a rogue Denarian, keeping hidden from everyone, including Nicky and Anduriel. The Darkhallow could have been to upgrade his host and allow access to a much greater power level than the mortal host, or allow an amicable separation.

Ed0517:
I don't think Nico knows where all coins are at all times - or he'd have never let Harry leave Lasciel buried so long.

I do think eh knows wo all the Denarians are and their abilities. Now, could a Denarian who does not usually use magic give Hellfire to a warlock, different question.  It may be the host body is a limiting factor. Maybe most vanilla humans cannot throw Hellfire, even with a coin.

Arjan:

--- Quote from: Ed0517 on January 27, 2022, 06:52:31 AM ---I don't think Nico knows where all coins are at all times - or he'd have never let Harry leave Lasciel buried so long.

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Not that long for someone who lives for centuries. Having Harry as a denarian would have been worth a few years waiting.

We know because Nic was surprised when Harry did not have the coin in the end of smal favor.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Both are examples that Nick doesn’t have the control over the Denarians that he holds out as having.

Tessa leads a faction already in the Denarians, she is going to be cagey with Nick about the number of her supporters as is he about his. Because of this mutual distrust there could easily be a small third faction of say three Denarians associated with the Black Council willing to let the others do their own thing whilst they play their own game and each presumes this faction is associated with the other. With Marcone/ Namshiel that would be four factions.

Nick gets loyalty because he can get the coins thanks to Anduriel, but if coins get back into circulation without him do they owe him any loyalty?

These are the Fallen, the first rebels, if someone else gets a coin say Cowl and gave it to a wizard then that Denarian owes loyalty to Cowl and the Black Council rather than Nick or Tessa.

What if Ancient Mai was worried about Mouse because he is semi-divine? Capable of potentially recognising that she is a Denarian (Mouse at this point had yet to come into his full power). Look at Mouses interactions with the divine he is “Little Cousin”. She could also potentially be behind My Shadow as she is familiar with Foo dogs. She is old by wizard standards, a coin would grant her further longevity and health something she could not otherwise get without necromancy and her heritage means she doesn’t come from a Judao Christian background unlike the rest of the Senior Council (except Listens to the Wind) she wouldn’t have the same attitude to the Fallen as most of the Senior Council.

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