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Is Lasciel really a fallen angel?

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morriswalters:
Why would the Fallen owe loyalty to anyone other than maybe Lucifer? They seem to have a low opinions of us monkeys.  And if ancient Mai is a Nicklehead her Fallen is falling down of the job.  Nick doesn't look a day over 100.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Mai’s Age is known, she is oldest by quite a bit and suspiciously hale, so looking younger would be a problem when we have had foreshadowing for Martha, Listens to the wind and Eb all near the end despite all being younger.

Maybe Lucifer has a Plan B which is not Nicky and that’s the Black Council. Maybe it’s Nicky who is Plan B, he just doesn’t know it (now that would be a lovely revelation for everyone but Nicky) the visible face of the Denarians, whilst the hidden faction maintain a low profile and away from the Swords. I mean in recent years some idiot wizard has more or less stymied him single handed. Maybe Anduriel is in on it, loyal to Lucy rather than Nicky.

If so other members of the hidden faction would be ensconced in significant positions in other supernatural states mortal enough to pick up a coin. The White Court maybe through one of the minor Houses or Red for a half vampire before Harry killed them all, one of the Priestesses or Jaguar Warriors. If they had a coin they would have survived the aging of the blood-line curse for old half vamps. A a pre choice Changeling would be able to pick up a coin, maybe a Winter Changeling was responsible for Arctic Tor. In both cases they age slowly so it would be easy for them to live a long time and not pick up suspicion.

Red Court, White Court, Winter, Summer and the White Council all vulnerable to coins.

Ed0517:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on January 27, 2022, 02:03:37 PM ---
Red Court, White Court, Winter, Summer and the White Council all vulnerable to coins.

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Do we know the Fae and Vamps are vulnerable? Do they have souls to trade? a half red might. The White Council will.

Arjan:

--- Quote from: Ed0517 on January 28, 2022, 08:47:04 AM ---Do we know the Fae and Vamps are vulnerable? Do they have souls to trade? a half red might. The White Council will.

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The genoskwa took one. Goodman Grey was offered one. Harry warned Thomas about touching them. These are all the non/half human coin interactions we know about.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Changeling not chosen a Fae yes, Fix became the Summer Knight a Mantle for a mortal, despite being a Changeling.

Some Changelings have had powerful access amongst the Fae- Sarissa for example would be a potential candidate but she would have been forced to drop the coin when the Summer Mantle went to her removing her mortality. Mab couldn’t have engineered this could she?, knowing Sarissa was a Denarian she manipulated Maeve into killing Lily so the Summer Mantle would force the coin off of her, and put Sarissa in Summer away from defending the Gates in the knowledge she had Molly as a back up Winter Lady?

Actually, yes that sounds exactly like Mab.

If Sarissa was a Denarian picking the coin up to defend herself against Winter, would she have been kumori? I think so. Kumori healed that chap in Deadbeat, she would have known Lea would want the Athame in Grave Peril. She would know Arctic Tor for the attack on it to rescue Lea. Everyone tried to fit Kumori against female characters introduced before Dead Beat, we don’t meet Sarissa (which is a weapon, a Macedonian Pike) until much later on in Cold Days. She gave Mab the idea for the Frozen Ring for Maggie, pure evil.

It’s a Moot point on a half red vampire, you would have to find one first, you might have a former red of advanced age saved by his coin from immediate senescence.

Besides with Goodman Grey why bother with a blackened Denarius when a Peace Dollar would be just as effective at binding him.

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