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Marcone could probably beat Harry in a duel.

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TheCuriousFan:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on June 18, 2021, 01:50:21 PM ---I assume you mean Namshiel and his previous host? Fair enough...although past performance isn't always a reliable indicator of future outcomes. Namshiel still has to teach Marcone etc. But that being said, he is the Fallen who has displayed the most magic through his host. Which does make you wonder why not the others...it isn't like angels (fallen or no) have an issue with magic. Must be to do with who they are and how they work.

groinkick
Totally agree, in universe. By rights Marcone has already displayed enough to show he is advanced of Harry and should beat him in a duel, not including Namshiel's tricks in hi previous host.

However. The way Harry talks about Marcone with disdain and being a magic novice etc belies the above. Only one of two possible conclusions can be true. Either Harry is absurdly overconfident/in denial about Marcon's power and skill/talent etc. Which Harry normally isn't. Or Jim doesn't want Marcone to be better...but hasn't shown why that should be true, yet Harry will somehow "prove" Marcone is the lesser despite Marcone clearly can pull off more complex magic.

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He's probably right about Marcone being not up to par in a number of ways, because Marcone is supposed to be keeping pace with Harry rather than being better both in terms of brawling and organisation. Marcone could still win a 1v1 if he let Namshiel take the wheel for a few minutes but fat chance of that.

As for why the other denarians don't really make with the magic too much, presumably because if every denarian was a super-wizard on top of their other abilities it'd be just absolutely impossible to balance them as an antagonist.

Mira:

--- Quote ---However. The way Harry talks about Marcone with disdain and being a magic novice etc belies the above. Only one of two possible conclusions can be true. Either Harry is absurdly overconfident/in denial about Marcon's power and skill/talent etc. Which Harry normally isn't. Or Jim doesn't want Marcone to be better...but hasn't shown why that should be true, yet Harry will somehow "prove" Marcone is the lesser despite Marcone clearly can pull off more complex magic.

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A lot of that was Harry, just being Harry, his usual smart assed self mouthing off to provoke someone beyond his weight class.   He knows that Marcone still has a lot to learn and he also knows what Namshiel can do, however he did go up against him in Small Favor and didn't do too badly with the help of Soul Fire, something that was totally new to him at the time, he didn't even understand what was going on, when it appeared in the Aquarium as he fought him.  On the island later Namshiel let him know how much that pissed him off, Harry lasted a short while, but it was eventually a no contest, except it did distract Namshiel long enough for Michael to sneak up and lop off his head.  Since Small Favor Harry has learned quite a bit about what Soul Fire is and how to use it, he has become the Winter Knight, and he still doesn't know the meaning of being a star born.. So the battle could be epic, it sounds impossible against a Fallen Angel in the body of a ruthless mobster, but I wouldn't count Harry totally out, yet. ::)

As far as Carlos and his water magic goes, I think it will come down to how determined they are to kill one another.

vincentric:
Marcone/Namshiel have no real shot at defeating Harry in a duel at present.

While he has shown some advanced defensive magics, he has not demonstrated a single offensive ability beyond enchanting single-shot muskets. Unless he's got a lot more hidden away, Harry can laugh at his attacks behind his shield and wear him down.

That's not to say he won't become a magical threat. It just makes more sense for him to learn defensive magic first and rely on his army of troubleshooters for offense.  Once he feels he can adequately defend against one or two Wardens, he start learning offense so he can be more self-sufficient. He only revealed what he had because Ethniu was an unexpected situation and the battle was at the desperate last stand there on the beach. 

morriswalters:
Marcone didn't like the odds in Battle Ground and declined and it cost him the Eye and his castle.

Griffyn612:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on June 18, 2021, 05:38:20 PM ---Marcone didn't like the odds in Battle Ground and declined and it cost him the Eye and his castle.

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Makes you wonder about the convo between Marcone and Namshiel at that point.
M: Can we take him?
N: Most likely. But he did wipe the floor with my previous host who had years more experience than you.
M: Not today then.

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