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Marcone could probably beat Harry in a duel.
groinkick:
Jim said that the type of wizard to beat Harry is Carlos. Carlos is a water mage, and uses delicate magic that is difficult to do. His type of magic could basically counter Harry's.
Well Marcone did some things that makes me question Harry's ability to beat him. First, Marcone didn't use any Foci when casting magic. He did it without any tools, which is the sign of a skilled magical user. Second, Marcone used a type of teleportation, a veil, and was able to change concrete at the molecular level... This kind of magic is most likely extremely delicate, and difficult to do. We only saw some of his defensive magic, not his offensive abilities. Marcone, I think, is a lot like Carlos in the sense of being able to neutralize Dresden's particular style of magic (I think he'd take Carlos at this point too)... Throw in the fact that Fallen are way tougher than mortals and can take damage that would kill a wizard... Marcone was unfazed by his broken neck for example, healing instantly... Combine all of these and Dresden has a seriously dangerous enemy in Marcone.
Also a WAG... Dresden (I think) sensed temporal energies at Arctis Tor when it was attacked with Hellfire.... I suspect it was future Marcone. Mab made a mistake taking Leah there when she was Nemfected (Jim said she thought it was the right thing, which sounds like it wasn't).. I think Marcone traveled back to try and get Leah out of there.
Griffyn612:
The theory is that Namshiel's previous host was infected, which calls everything he did into question. If so, then the choice of holding the Archive captive on the island might have been intentional to try to screw with the defenses there, since we know Beside is interested in the place.
But more to your point, if Namshiel's host was infected, or even a Beside host, then depending on the timing, he could have been responsible for the attack on Arctis Tor with hellfire.
I mean, I'm a fan of time traveling Harry doing it, but even I have to admit that the old Namshiel seems more likely than Harry or Namarcone.
Mira:
At the moment, it is a no brainer... Marcone couldn't beat Harry, but a Fallen Angel who has been
a wizard from the beginning of time, could.. Only thing that would save Harry at the moment is Marcone isn't used to being used by his host, so he makes mistakes.
--- Quote ---Also a WAG... Dresden (I think) sensed temporal energies at Arctis Tor when it was attacked with Hellfire.... I suspect it was future Marcone. Mab made a mistake taking Leah there when she was Nemfected (Jim said she thought it was the right thing, which sounds like it wasn't).. I think Marcone traveled back to try and get Leah out of there.
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Could be, but I doubt it is Marcone, the time travel thing is just too easy and the type of thing that should be used very sparingly or it becomes very bad writing.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 18, 2021, 03:55:14 AM ---Jim said that the type of wizard to beat Harry is Carlos. Carlos is a water mage, and uses delicate magic that is difficult to do. His type of magic could basically counter Harry's.
Well Marcone did some things that makes me question Harry's ability to beat him. First, Marcone didn't use any Foci when casting magic. He did it without any tools, which is the sign of a skilled magical user. Second, Marcone used a type of teleportation, a veil, and was able to change concrete at the molecular level... This kind of magic is most likely extremely delicate, and difficult to do. We only saw some of his defensive magic, not his offensive abilities. Marcone, I think, is a lot like Carlos in the sense of being able to neutralize Dresden's particular style of magic (I think he'd take Carlos at this point too)... Throw in the fact that Fallen are way tougher than mortals and can take damage that would kill a wizard... Marcone was unfazed by his broken neck for example, healing instantly... Combine all of these and Dresden has a seriously dangerous enemy in Marcone.
Also a WAG... Dresden (I think) sensed temporal energies at Arctis Tor when it was attacked with Hellfire.... I suspect it was future Marcone. Mab made a mistake taking Leah there when she was Nemfected (Jim said she thought it was the right thing, which sounds like it wasn't).. I think Marcone traveled back to try and get Leah out of there.
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Well yeah, the last two times he went up against Harry he casually oneshot him before being taken down by a third party sucker punch.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on June 18, 2021, 11:04:54 AM ---Well yeah, the last two times he went up against Harry he casually oneshot him before being taken down by a third party sucker punch.
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I assume you mean Namshiel and his previous host? Fair enough...although past performance isn't always a reliable indicator of future outcomes. Namshiel still has to teach Marcone etc. But that being said, he is the Fallen who has displayed the most magic through his host. Which does make you wonder why not the others...it isn't like angels (fallen or no) have an issue with magic. Must be to do with who they are and how they work.
groinkick
Totally agree, in universe. By rights Marcone has already displayed enough to show he is advanced of Harry and should beat him in a duel, not including Namshiel's tricks in hi previous host.
However. The way Harry talks about Marcone with disdain and being a magic novice etc belies the above. Only one of two possible conclusions can be true. Either Harry is absurdly overconfident/in denial about Marcon's power and skill/talent etc. Which Harry normally isn't. Or Jim doesn't want Marcone to be better...but hasn't shown why that should be true, yet Harry will somehow "prove" Marcone is the lesser despite Marcone clearly can pull off more complex magic.
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