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I'm A Bit Confused... Nemesis or Outsider or Both???
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 29, 2020, 05:08:43 PM ---Explaining Black magic is not even the purpose of these laws.
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It's about preventing black magic, not explaining it.
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 29, 2020, 05:08:43 PM ---It is all about preventing the worst excesses of the use of magic by mortals.
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It doesn't care about preventing egregious use of grey magic, as Margaret called it. Only black magic. Is the Council concerned with individual wizards exercising too much power? Sure. That's why the Council is structured the way it is. That's why it frowns on wizards becoming involved with mortal politics. (I'm not sure the extent of its frowning because we only see the frowning in the Paranet Papers).
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 29, 2020, 05:08:43 PM ---There are probably plenty ways to darken your spirit without breaking the laws.
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We've been told by Morgan and the Merlin that warlocks are beyond rehabilitation. That they always violate the laws again. This isn't just a bad habit or even at the level of a drug addiction. There are plenty of people who break those. Harry's the only example of someone who hasn't gone warlock. There is an argument that he has, and his story isn't over yet. (All the maybe mortals he's killed).
The_Sibelis:
Well, we know warlocks are replaced by something inhuman, via Woj. Something the wizard more or less birthed in their minds eye. Something that possibly did not exist before. Or something that existed in non existence like an outsider? If that is the case then Harry as Starborn would be uniquely placed to have the ability to break the warlock cycle in the way others cannot.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on October 29, 2020, 07:19:16 PM ---It's about preventing black magic, not explaining it.
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Natural laws are about describing how things work. Human laws are about preventing certain behaviors. They are different things.
--- Quote ---It doesn't care about preventing egregious use of grey magic, as Margaret called it. Only black magic. Is the Council concerned with individual wizards exercising too much power? Sure. That's why the Council is structured the way it is. That's why it frowns on wizards becoming involved with mortal politics. (I'm not sure the extent of its frowning because we only see the frowning in the Paranet Papers).
We've been told by Morgan and the Merlin that warlocks are beyond rehabilitation. That they always violate the laws again. This isn't just a bad habit or even at the level of a drug addiction. There are plenty of people who break those. Harry's the only example of someone who hasn't gone warlock. There is an argument that he has, and his story isn't over yet. (All the maybe mortals he's killed).
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That is their experience but they don’t consider free will. The knights of the cross have a totally different approach in this.
And we don’t have that many examples of people trying to rehabilitate warlocks before they get too dangerous, only two, so I do not think we have conclusive evidence.
The white council’s approach of kill first ask questions later will push warlocks further on their path.
Mira:
--- Quote ---And we don’t have that many examples of people trying to rehabilitate warlocks before they get too dangerous, only two, so I do not think we have conclusive evidence.
The white council’s approach of kill first ask questions later will push warlocks further on their path.
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Yeah, if the Merlin is to be believe the problem is they do not have enough wizards willing to go under the Doom with a troubled apprentice. Nor do they have enough wizards to spot the kids with talent before they get into trouble with it. The flip side of that is very few citizens believe in wizards or recognize talent with it awakens in their kids. And even if they do on both counts today most wizards don't want to take the time to teach.. So lots of kids gone bad lose their heads.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 29, 2020, 08:16:46 PM ---Natural laws are about describing how things work. Human laws are about preventing certain behaviors. They are different things.
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Yes. But humans react to natural consequences by making laws banning the practice or practices that result in those natural consequences.
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 29, 2020, 08:16:46 PM ---That is their experience but they don’t consider free will. The knights of the cross have a totally different approach in this.
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True. We also know from Uriel that the exercise of free will is exceedingly rare.
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 29, 2020, 08:16:46 PM ---And we don’t have that many examples of people trying to rehabilitate warlocks before they get too dangerous, only two, so I do not think we have conclusive evidence.
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We don't, but it appears the Council does. I can't remember which book it was in, but I remember a discussion between Harry and another wizard about how the Council has tried to rehabilitate warlocks, and it never works. There was a line about how some appear to be on the path to recovery, but they always relapse eventually. I doubt they're making it all up.
--- Quote from: Mira on October 29, 2020, 08:51:48 PM ---Yeah, if the Merlin is to be believe the problem is they do not have enough wizards willing to go under the Doom with a troubled apprentice.
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I don't think that's the problem from the Merlin's perspective. He did say that the Council didn't have the spare resources to allow a regional commander to split his time between mentoring and the war.
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