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I'm A Bit Confused... Nemesis or Outsider or Both???
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on October 29, 2020, 08:59:29 PM ---Yes. But humans react to natural consequences by making laws banning the practice or practices that result in those natural consequences.
True. We also know from Uriel that the exercise of free will is exceedingly rare.
We don't, but it appears the Council does. I can't remember which book it was in, but I remember a discussion between Harry and another wizard about how the Council has tried to rehabilitate warlocks, and it never works. There was a line about how some appear to be on the path to recovery, but they always relapse eventually. I doubt they're making it all up.
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The council has a strong better safe than sorry mentality so a few cases gone spectacularly wrong could have been enough. I doubt it was often tried, the risks are just too big.
But an individual can be crushed in such a system and doubtless some warlocks could have been saved.
Compare Ebenezer’s attitude towards everything non human. Doubtless based on many experienced but easily generalized because that is a very human attitude. Have a few bad experiences with a easily recognizable group and your attitude is fixed. Something to do with evolution and survival.
--- Quote ---I don't think that's the problem from the Merlin's perspective. He did say that the Council didn't have the spare resources to allow a regional commander to split his time between mentoring and the war.
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Megan Marie:
When I read the scene my first impulse was He got the NAME of the enemy from the enemy's own lips! Since Harry's a starborn that's immune to the influence, maybe he'll be able to use a binding on "Nemesis". Mother Winter/Mother Summer had told him it was important to know the proper names of things, that was the first time we heard the enemy called Nemesis. IIRC
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on October 23, 2020, 05:01:13 AM ---What's known:
A Walker is a powerful Outsider.
They are Outsider Knights.
There are almost certainly three. Mac has strongly implied there are three Walkers.
They are He Who Walks Behind, He Who Walks Before, and He Who Walks Beside.
Nemesis is singular. Nemesis is repeatedly referred to as "it," not they or them.
Names are important and guarded. We often know things not by their names, but by what they are called. For example, Harry has a fairy servant called Lacuna and another called Toot. We don't know either's Name. Hell, I'm called Bad Alias. That's certainly not my name.
So, HWWBeside is an Outsider Knight, which are known as Walkers, called Nemesis.
What I think on possession/infection by HWWBeside: They're the same thing. Subtle manipulation to out and out control are both forms of possession as I understand it from everything I've ever seen on possession.
@Griffyn612: How do you fit Harry's black magic corruption into your theory of black magic being an opening to infection? Was his corruption simply an opening that couldn't be used? I once thought that all black magic corruption could be nemfection, but I'm not sure that's possible anymore.
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morriswalters:
Titania told him the name.
--- Quote ---Titania didn’t turn to face me. Her voice was weary. “My heart tells me that all things end.” She paused. “But this thing I will tell a Winter Knight who believes in freedom: You must learn greater discretion. The power you have come to know and fear has a name. One should know the proper names of things.” She turned and walked toward me. My body told me to run like hell, but I told it to shut up, that my legs were shaking too hard anyway. Titania leaned up onto her toes and whispered, very close to my ear. “Nemesis,” she breathed. “Speak it carefully—or it may hear you.” I blinked. “It . . . it what?”
Butcher, Jim. Cold Days (The Dresden Files, Book 14) (p. 315). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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One way you could take this is that Nemesis lives in someones doubt. It's in the name, which is kinda cheesy, He Who Walks Beside. In Cold Days during his discussion with Mother Summer Harry calls him a sapper. Trying to tunnel in to our reality. Think of it as sapping the will of those he attaches to. Lea says in Changes that she cannot think of him lest she become vulnerable again. This plays to that. Standing beside them whispering into their ear, when he finds them. But they may have to call them in some fashion that Jim has yet to reveal or be touched by some token.
It's interesting that the Whites refer to their "demon". It is also interesting that Papa Raith seems not to exist spiritually. In a sense like the Outsiders. It makes one think that maybe the demons of the Whites are another form of the Outsiders, possibly scions of the original. It would make Papa Raith the progenitor.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 29, 2020, 11:25:02 PM ---doubtless some warlocks could have been saved.
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Depending on your definition of some, I have doubts.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on October 30, 2020, 02:38:20 AM ---Depending on your definition of some, I have doubts.
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--- Quote ---We don't, but it appears the Council does. I can't remember which book it was in, but I remember a discussion between Harry and another wizard about how the Council has tried to rehabilitate warlocks, and it never works. There was a line about how some appear to be on the path to recovery, but they always relapse eventually. I doubt they're making it all up.
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That was Proven Guilty, and yes, depending on how far gone the young warlock is, they have been rehabilitated. However it is increasingly difficult to get a wizard willing to risk his or her neck under the Doom to attempt it. Of late, only Eb and Harry had been willing to do that that we know of. And there is the real danger of failure, which can be very costly.
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