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I'm A Bit Confused... Nemesis or Outsider or Both???
Mira:
Maybe I am the only one saying W.T.F. about the boat scene between Justine/HWWBs and Harry..
Then again, maybe not.
On page 359 of Battle Ground, Harry calls out to whatever is possessing Justine. It answers;
--- Quote ---"It will do you no good once I've caved in your skull. Nemesis I am called."
--- End quote ---
Okay, get that, ever since Titania named of the Enemy to Harry, "Nemesis," we think we understand how it works.. But do we? For more than a couple of years now we've had the impression that one is infested or infected, passed on like any other infection, we even call it "Nemfected." There are lots of reasons for thinking this;
1] We think Aurora was Nemfected, perhaps by way of Elaine.
2] We know Lea was Nemfected, by way of the Knife she got from Cowl at Bianca's party.
3] Not sure how Cat Sith got Nemfected, but either by way of Lea and or the Knife
4] We know that Maeve was Nemfected, Mab confirmed it was the Knife..
5] Justine, Nemfected not sure how, several theories about when it may have happened.
Okay so far so good... Then you turn the page to 360 and Harry says he doesn't care what it is called, he demands it tell "him it's name."
--- Quote ---She shuddered in bizarre ecstasy and panted, in a frantic whisper, " I am He Who Walks Beside." Hell's bells. A Walker.
--- End quote ---
Harry then goes on to be a bit freaked, "an Outsider with the power of a Walker."
We know that Harry defeated HWWB back when he was sixteen. An Outsider possessed Vittorio back in White Knight. We know about another Walker, He Who Walks Before in Cold Days, we know about corner hounds.. Question, do the Outsiders I just mentioned strike you as something you can pick up from a knife or a toilet seat like any other infection? Or are Outsiders the end product if the Nemesis infection goes on long enough and untreated in the victim?
To confuse things maybe a bit further or maybe it makes more sense, not sure.. But Harry tossing in there that he now understands who it is that he has been calling the Black Council or Circle all these years. The enemy he knew was out there but he couldn't put his finger on...It's been Nemesis all along.
Okay, but I am still a bit confused... Is Nemesis the name of the Enemy as Titania said, with the Outsiders and Walkers, corner hounds etc., it's soldiers? Or did I miss something?
Phobos:
I think the 'Nemesis' title is in reference to all the forces of the Outside. Kind of like demons collectively referred to as 'Legion'. Harry compelled HWWBeside's name, like he did with HHWB4 (or gave it freely, not clear), and it gave it.
I believe the Walkers are a high class of Outsider, but are still outsiders, just a subdivision of the larger group.
#3) It was implied Cat Sith was ambushed by HWWB4, or possibly Maeve, at the garden/arboretum/etc.
In PT Eb, during the cornerhound fight, mentions that any contact with the Outside can potentially infect someone. One of the powers Starborn possess is immunity to that infection. Based on that dialogue, I think some things can be imbued with power from the Outside and have the potential to infect those who come into contact with it.
On another note, I think HWWBeside can possess anyone the is Nemfected, but can still pull strings in their heads when not directly controlling them.
Avernite:
Well, my impression was simply that
Someone who is Nemfected = Someone possessed by He Who Walks Beside
What we all suspected already:
Nemfecter = Outsider => He Who Walks Beside = Outsider
And the final point:
I agree Walker is simply a category of Outsider.
So, what this tells us is that one Walker spends its time possessing people/things, and that Walker (who is an Outsider) is called HWWBesides. The other Walkers do other things.
morriswalters:
Jim wants you confused. Lea and Maeve are both infected by Proven Guilty. So two people can be hag ridden at the same time. But the question is by what?
Dina:
It's not you, Mira, it is confusing.
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