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I'm A Bit Confused... Nemesis or Outsider or Both???
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on October 23, 2020, 04:55:53 AM ---When you download an app to your smartphone or computer of your own free will, you're enabling it to do things to your device. Lots of people download apps like TikTok without knowing the things it does in the background of your device. TikTok has code to access all sorts of things it doesn't need, which is why people are so suspicious of it. And worse apps do all sorts of bad things.
The same goes (theoretically) in the Dresdenverse with magic. If you use magic, you're opening yourself up to power. If you use Black Magic, or specific types of Black Magic, then you're opening your spirit to that form of power. And just like with computer, these openings can be bidirectional.
With both apps and magic, people can warn others until they're blue in the face, and developers/wizards can try to protect people with software/laws, but at the end of the day, the user/practitioner is the one that will decide, knowingly or otherwise.
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As a tentative hypothesis this has merit. But Justine isn't a magic user. What's her path to infection?
The_Sibelis:
Ok, trying to wiggle out some understanding gave me an idea..
1 the old ones used to be part of reality
2 The walkers were their knights, ergo a part of reality
3 knights as we know them exist for a specific purpose, they have free will.
4 so... Walkers still possess the ability to act independently and this is how they keep getting inside even without direct help. Someone does something that creates an opening for them, and they slide on in, even without them directly trying to reach beyond the outer gates.
I still think mirroring has something to do with it.. like they can influence those that mirror them because they create a beacon they can find from the other side..
So 'an outsider with the power of a walker' is just a complicated way of saying an outsider that can interfere with Fate itself? Which.. they do indeed do, changing fae and what not.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 23, 2020, 11:38:11 AM ---As a tentative hypothesis this has merit. But Justine isn't a magic user. What's her path to infection?
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Cat Sith wasn’t either. Just grab her and infect her. She won’t tell if the infection holds.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 23, 2020, 12:28:28 PM ---Cat Sith wasn’t either. Just grab her and infect her. She won’t tell if the infection holds.
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he could move in and out of the NN and basically teleport where needed though? I think since the fae are all magic based they don't necessarily have to be a practitioner to USE magic. It's just part of who they are.
*I'm a long prescriber to the theory Justine is a changling, she was too emotional, emotion is a(THE) basic manifestation of magic, Harry mentioned this in one of the two new books but I cannot recall where.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 23, 2020, 12:35:37 PM ---he could move in and out of the NN and basically teleport where needed though? I think since the fae are all magic based they don't necessarily have to be a practitioner to USE magic. It's just part of who they are.
*I'm a long prescriber to the theory Justine is a changling, she was too emotional, emotion is a(THE) basic manifestation of magic, Harry mentioned this in one of the two new books but I cannot recall where.
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The point is there does not always have to be an invitation, free will or not. Sometimes someone is just grabbed and infected. I do not see why magic is needed either. Corpstaker could grab anyone and take over.
Sure an invitation would make it easier but that is all.
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