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I'm A Bit Confused... Nemesis or Outsider or Both???
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Arjan on October 23, 2020, 12:48:04 PM ---The point is there does not always have to be an invitation, free will or not. Sometimes someone is just grabbed and infected. I do not see why magic is needed either. Corpstaker could grab anyone and take over.
Sure an invitation would make it easier but that is all.
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corpse taker used magic though... And she had free will to violate others free will. Though I'm supposing above that walkers also possess some measure of free will to act.
Mira:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 23, 2020, 12:55:48 PM --- corpse taker used magic though... And she had free will to violate others free will. Though I'm supposing above that walkers also possess some measure of free will to act.
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Who says the Outsiders/Nemesis need magic to get into someone's head? Maybe that is what the danger is all about, creatures that really don't give a damn about free will.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 23, 2020, 01:08:08 PM ---Who says the Outsiders/Nemesis need magic to get into someone's head? Maybe that is what the danger is all about, creatures that really don't give a damn about free will.
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nobody did.... Well, technically Griff did. They were talking about magic being used as the conduit. Not as the active effect . I merely pointed out magic is present in the situations where it has happened.
Them being creatures who don't give a damn about free will is what I said actually..
Also, this is why warlocks and other black magic users mirror them imo, they find a common denominator in not caring about violating the free will of others, also, magic is present.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on October 23, 2020, 05:01:13 AM ---@Griffyn612: How do you fit Harry's black magic corruption into your theory of black magic being an opening to infection? Was his corruption simply an opening that couldn't be used? I once thought that all black magic corruption could be nemfection, but I'm not sure that's possible anymore.
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In computers, ports can be bidirectional, inbound, outbound, or closed. If there is a port that allows Beside to look in, another port for him to whisper in, and another for him to take remote control, then for Starborn, those ports might work differently than other mortals.
For Justine, those ports might be bidirectional. For Harry, they might be outbound only, meaning he can send his message/power out at Outsiders, but they can't send it in to him. He's got a built-in firewall/antivirus that has his system protected.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 23, 2020, 11:38:11 AM ---As a tentative hypothesis this has merit. But Justine isn't a magic user. What's her path to infection?
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We're not sure when she infected, much less how. But my guess is that they used a vector.
My personal guess is that she was exposed to infection on that Fomor raid we heard about in Even Hand. Maybe it was before that, but the text in Cold Days suggests otherwise, at least to me.
My guess is someone used something on her, like the Athame or hex belt, which (like a usb connected directly to a machine) installed Beside's protocols directly, without consent.
Mira:
--- Quote ---My personal guess is that she was exposed to infection on that Fomor raid we heard about in Even Hand. Maybe it was before that, but the text in Cold Days suggests otherwise, at least to me.
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My thinking is that it was before, Grave Peril while she was held captive by Bianca. Then like a encysted parasite or an anthrax spore,it slept in her brain, first metagating her mental health symptoms that were attributed to controlled feeding by Thomas. Nothing was noticed because it as so gradual, until it was in the perfect position to not only undermine the White Court, but the whole of the Accords.
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