The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
We Now Know What/Who Mac Is
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: ClintACK on September 19, 2020, 09:24:26 PM ---Working on a bank heist with legitimately evil folks.
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I 100% agree with everything you said but this. Generally yes, but given the circumstances of the story, I'd more say fraught with moral peril. I don't think what Harry, Murphy, and Michael did was evil. I think there were moral justifications. It was an inherently dangerous enterprise that was very likely to cause serious harm to innocent bystanders. And it did.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on September 19, 2020, 09:29:33 PM ---I 100% agree with everything you said but this. Generally yes, but given the circumstances of the story, I'd more say fraught with moral peril. I don't think what Harry, Murphy, and Michael did was evil. I think there were moral justifications. It was an inherently dangerous enterprise that was very likely to cause serious harm to innocent bystanders. And it did.
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Good and evil is not the same as lawful and unlawful.
Conspiracy Theorist:
“Without authority”, this was a set up masterminded by Marcone and Mab. Marcone was the owner of the and Harry therefore had authority to be there, no forcible felony burglary, and no intent to commit a burglary or theft within the vault. If they had stolen some of Ferrovax’s stuff in his sub vault yes, but they didn’t.
Harvey wasn’t a kidnapping by Harry, he used neither threat nor physical force, Harvey offered no resistance after Harry interposed himself between Harvey and Tessa’s Goons gunfire. No forcible kidnapping of Harvey, no murder charge against Harry. If Harvey hadn’t relented and Harry had to knock out Harvey to spirit him away then yes that would have been forcible kidnapping.
At best Harry set off some fireworks, not a deadly weapon, is that a felony or misdemeanour.
Binders guys did use deadly weapons against the police, but they are not “people” , they are not capable of committing a crime.
The handcuffs were never stolen, they were in the custody of the guards at all times. The guards were confined to a controlled space but there was no criminal motive for their confinement (lawful authority to be in the vault) so they weren’t kidnapped either.
Tilley can tell if someone is lying, Harry can admit the truth to Tilley, because all he has done is let some fireworks off. Bad Harry. I suspect Jim had this in mind when he created Tilley as a character.
Deidre Killed the guard, but only she is responsible, and she died by misadventure case closed.
Harvey was murdered by Tessa who is still at large, and the best person who can help track her down and bring her to justice is Harry.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 19, 2020, 10:40:32 PM ---“Without authority”, this was a set up masterminded by Marcone and Mab. Marcone was the owner of the and Harry therefore had authority to be there, no forcible felony burglary, and no intent to commit a burglary or theft within the vault. If they had stolen some of Ferrovax’s stuff in his sub vault yes, but they didn’t.
Harvey wasn’t a kidnapping by Harry, he used neither threat nor physical force, Harvey offered no resistance after Harry interposed himself between Harvey and Tessa’s Goons gunfire. No forcible kidnapping of Harvey, no murder charge against Harry. If Harvey hadn’t relented and Harry had to knock out Harvey to spirit him away then yes that would have been forcible kidnapping.
At best Harry set off some fireworks, not a deadly weapon, is that a felony or misdemeanour.
Binders guys did use deadly weapons against the police, but they are not “people” , they are not capable of committing a crime.
The handcuffs were never stolen, they were in the custody of the guards at all times. The guards were confined to a controlled space but there was no criminal motive for their confinement (lawful authority to be in the vault) so they weren’t kidnapped either.
Tilley can tell if someone is lying, Harry can admit the truth to Tilley, because all he has done is let some fireworks off. Bad Harry. I suspect Jim had this in mind when he created Tilley as a character.
Deidre Killed the guard, but only she is responsible, and she died by misadventure case closed.
Harvey was murdered by Tessa who is still at large, and the best person who can help track her down and bring her to justice is Harry.
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I really think you don't know the point of felony murder; it took me a few years to get the hang of it (while still considering its full application silly), but still.
Harry, Deirdre, and gang together conspired to break into Marcone's vault. As far as they knew they were committing burglary, and Harry definitely assaulted guards with fireworks. In the course of the burglary/assault, a guard was murdered. That, and that alone, is enough to confirm felony murder for all the conspirators in the burglary/assault.
Conspiracy Theorist:
They had lawful authority, they just didn’t know they had, and that destroys any case against Harry unless Marcone denies that they had that authority, which would put him in Mab’s bad books, he organised this with her to get revenge over Nicodemus. It wasn’t a bank job, it was a con job. Here’s a hint look at what Skin Game is slang for, otherwise under your interpretation that novel is called Bank Bust.
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