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Mira:
   In the third chapter of Battleground, Harry says that an Outsider recognized and said what Mac was.
On page222 [hardback] of Cold Days Sharkface says to Mac


--- Quote ---"You have no place in this, watcher.Do you think this gesture has meaning? It is every bit as empty as you. You chose your road long ago.  Have the grace to lie down and die beside it.
--- End quote ---
 

Then I looked up the term and found this in Wikipedia;

--- Quote ---Watcher (Aramaic עִיר ʿiyr, plural עִירִין ʿiyrin, [ʕiːr(iːn)]; Theodotian trans: ir; from the root of Heb. ʿer, "awake, watchful".[1] Greek: ἐγρήγοροι, transl.: egrḗgoroi; "Watchers", "those who are awake"; "guard", "watcher"[2]) is a term used in connection with biblical angels. Watcher occurs in both plural and singular forms in the Book of Daniel (4th–2nd century BC), where reference is made to their holiness. The apocryphal Books of Enoch (2nd–1st centuries BC) refer to both good and bad Watchers, with a primary focus on the rebellious ones.[3][4]
--- End quote ---

This fits Mac more specifically, this watcher;

--- Quote ---Shamsiel, once a guardian of Eden as stated in the Zohar, served as one of the two chief aides to the archangel Uriel (the other aide being Hasdiel) when Uriel bore his standard into battle, and is the head of 365 legions of angels and also crowns prayers, accompanying them to the 5th heaven. In Jubilees, he is referred to as one of the Watchers. He is a fallen angel who teaches the signs of the sun.
--- End quote ---

Connected to Uriel, Mac is a fallen angel named Shamsiel.  Yes, he'd recognize the Placard when he saw it.  Yes, looking upon him with his wizard's sight would indeed blind or worse Harry.  Yes, Mac would know when Harry stopped using it.

Further is says about watchers;


--- Quote ---The watchers are bound "in the valleys of the Earth" until Judgment Day (Jude verse 6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.").
--- End quote ---

This fits Mac, he is bound to Earth but for the most part stays out of almost everything, but he might be hoping for redemption now, he committed himself with his blood on the Placard to sacrifice himself if necessary for those in his charge.

Helga Ozark:
Would "fallen" be the right term? The fallen in DF are bound to coins and still have angelic power whereas Mac is mortal (I think there's a WOJ about it somewhere). He's clearly taken a different path compared to the denarians. Something more like the German movie "Wings of Desire" ie angel decides to become human.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Helga Ozark on September 16, 2020, 10:11:38 AM ---Would "fallen" be the right term? The fallen in DF are bound to coins and still have angelic power whereas Mac is mortal (I think there's a WOJ about it somewhere). He's clearly taken a different path compared to the denarians. Something more like the German movie "Wings of Desire" ie angel decides to become human.

--- End quote ---

That could be, but the limited research I've done, and it is very limited, believe me, but I've seen that movie and it fits to a degree.  The character in the movie appeared to be a watcher angel and chose to become mortal over love.  However they can fall and not be evil like the denarians.  The impression I've gotten is Mac isn't mortal, that is what Sharkface means when he tells Mac, "you chose your road long ago."

TheCuriousFan:
It was nice to see one of the more common theories basically confirmed.

Conspiracy Theorist:
The Denarians are the hard core of the Fallen, Lucifer was glad they effectively operate on their own, it was too much like having an overenthusiastic IT Department whose constant interference in the IT Platform kept bringing the whole Organisation to a halt. He outsourced them.

On the opposite end of the spectrum is Mac, he obviously likes humans far more than was healthy for him and that probably was the reason for his fall, he felt more should be done to help humans until HR called him in and gave him an early retirement package as he sympathised far to much with the customers cutting them better details than he should. It was either that or accept mandatory redeployment as a nail.

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