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We Now Know What/Who Mac Is
BrainFireBob:
Mac's passionate about fatherhood and children.
Per Enoch, the fallen Grigori sired the Nephilim- and the misbehavior of the Nephilim was responsible for the Flood
Mira:
--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on September 16, 2020, 02:32:03 PM ---Mac's passionate about fatherhood and children.
Per Enoch, the fallen Grigori sired the Nephilim- and the misbehavior of the Nephilim was responsible for the Flood
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Yeah, from reading the passages on Wikipedia, it sounds like the watchers gave into temptation.
This is another interpretation;
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There are two basic versions of the fallen angels story: the fall of the Watchers, discussed here, and the fall of Lucifer. The Watchers were the “sons of God” who took human wives, and had children. Their children were known as the Nephilim.
Watchers in the Old Testament
“When men began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them, the divine beings saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and took wives from among those that pleased them. The LORD said, ‘My breath shall not abide in man forever, since he too is flesh; let the days allowed him be one hundred and twenty years.’ It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth – when the divine beings cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown.” – Genesis 6:1-4
This is the only account of the watchers in the Bible. Isaiah 14:12-15 talks of the fall of the “day-star, son of morning,” which implies that there was a revolt, and the “day-star” was cast into the abyss, but this may be a reference to early Canaanite or Phoenician myths. One other possible reference is Psalm 82.
God standeth in the Congregation of God (El)
In the midst of gods (elohim) He judgeth
All the foundations of the earth are moved.
I said: Ye are gods,
And all of you sons of the Most High (Elyon)
Nevertheles ye shall die like men,
And fall like one of the princes (sarim)
Psalm 82:1, 5-7
The parts of the Psalm I have left out are the parts that refer to wicked earthly rulers, but it is agreed upon by many scholars that this part of the Psalm refers to the fallen angels. While Genesis 6 tells that angels married women, it does not condemn this as a sin. Psalm 82 tells that the elohim sinned, but does not tell how (i.e. it does not mention that they married women).
Some rabbis have speculated that the angels’ sin was to reproduce. Certain passages in Jewish Midrash talk of how angels are immortal and do not need to reproduce. Since humans are not, they must reproduce in order to achieve immortality in their descendents.
Watchers in Jewish Midrash
This is a passage from Jewish midrash in which Hannah is praying for a child at Shiloh:
“Lord of the Universe! The celestials never die, and they do not reproduce their kind. Terrestrial beings die, but they are fruitful and multiply. Therefore I pray: Either make me immortal, or give me a son!”
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So falling in love and either having or wanting a child by a mortal woman would have condemned Mac it appears.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Interesting this segues via The Book of Invasions in Irish from Ireland being settled by various groups descended from the sons of Noah, to the rise of Tuatha de Dan and the Fomorians.
This would allow for Mac to be a Grigori, and also husband of Ethnui and father of Lugh who slew Balor.
Knowing Jim he has been giggling away madly about Mac’s identity because he has multiple identities, no one has guessed right about all of it
Mira:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 16, 2020, 04:31:06 PM ---Interesting this segues via The Book of Invasions in Irish from Ireland being settled by various groups descended from the sons of Noah, to the rise of Tuatha de Dan and the Fomorians.
This would allow for Mac to be a Grigori, and also husband of Ethnui and father of Lugh who slew Balor.
Knowing Jim he has been giggling away madly about Mac’s identity because he has multiple identities, no one has guessed right about all of it
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A Grigori is a watcher angel who mated with humans, giants resulted. Perhaps the father of Ethnui?
Conspiracy Theorist:
Ethnui’s father was Balor, the prophecy was that her son would kill him, so he made sure she practiced safe sex by locking her alone in a tower for thousands of years until some handsome devil of a Tuatha called MacKineally scaled both the tower and the lady, and begat her son Lugh.
Harry doesn’t mention Ethnui’s name, merely a Titan leading an army of Fomor, if Mac is also MacKineally, it could be especially awkward if Ethnui attacks the pub.
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