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WAG - Harry has never met Justin DuMorne. His Justin was Heinrich Kemmler.
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 04, 2020, 03:00:56 AM --- The reality is that as long as there are body switchers, anything is possible...
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True dat! Infinite WAGs...
--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 04, 2020, 03:00:56 AM --- ... But Bob would have known that Kemmler jumped to a new body, wouldn't he?
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I would presume so, yes. Based upon Bob's conversations with Harry, it appears that Bob switches between normal vision and the Sight VERY often (or maybe has some wonky always-on dual-vision). So yeah, I've got to presume Bob seen the Aura, and would have known; and COULD have said something... if he were permitted to! A K-swapped J could easily have ordered EvilBob to Say Nothing, Slave! and then whatever Harry did to OrangeBob him might have accidentally suppressed the info (alongside all the other EvilBob info) before OrangeBob could volunteer it ...
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 03, 2020, 09:41:34 PM ---Harry just said the mind fog was illegal and he wasn't sure a faerie queen could pull it off outside of the Nevernever.
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I don't think Harry would have understood it as well if it was Outsider work. He's shown resistance to that, but it's never been anywhere near as easy to counter as his trick of tying ribbon around the fingers to keep it out.
It's illegal, but pretty mundanely illegal.
KurtinStGeorge:
The is a very clever OP, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Aside from the problem of Bob knowing Kemmler and Justin were the same person, I think there are other problems as well. Harry should have been able to get a feeling for Justin's magical aura. If Justin was body swapped by Kemmler, when Harry met Kemmler's disciples in Dead Beat, he should have noticed the similarity between the feel of their magic and Justin's.
However, my big problem has to do with the dark hallow ritual. Kemmler was trying to pull it off when the White Council killed him for the final time in 1961. Harry was born 26 years before the events in Storm Front which occurred in 2000, give or take a year or two. Source: https://www.jim-butcher.com/timeline So that means Harry is born sometime between 1972 and 1976. Harry is adopted by Justin at the age of 10. Around nine years before SF when Harry is 16, Harry has his showdown with Justin. This occurs sometime between 1989 and 1993. To simplify things I'm going to guess that Storm Front took place in 2000. Harry is born October 31, 1974, he is adopted in late 1984 or early 1995 and has his battle with Justin in late 1990 or sometime in 1991 before October 31.
Let's go with the 1991 date for Harry battle with Justin. Justin who is really Kemmler has thirty years to plan and attempt to pull off the dark hallow, and he never makes an attempt. I'm not buying it. Kemmler wouldn't need to find any books. He would already know how to do it. Think of the odd circumstances which led Harry to learn about the Word of Kemmler. Because Justin/Kemmler wouldn't have to look for the Word, it would be virtually impossible for anyone to know what he was doing until it was too late to stop him.
spiritofair:
Good point KSG, very unlikely Cowl is Kemmler based on what you're saying about the Darkhallow. Also, if Cowl was Justin was Kemmler, Harry would have recognized him and/or his magic.
But, Kemmler could still be lurking about in another body. Maybe he hopped into Justin, corrupted him, then hopped out and went on to someone else? As morris said, infinite WAGs if that's the case.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: spiritofair on January 07, 2020, 05:16:23 PM ---Good point KSG, very unlikely Cowl is Kemmler based on what you're saying about the Darkhallow. Also, if Cowl was Justin was Kemmler, Harry would have recognized him and/or his magic.
But, Kemmler could still be lurking about in another body. Maybe he hopped into Justin, corrupted him, then hopped out and went on to someone else? As morris said, infinite WAGs if that's the case.
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At first I read, " he (Kemmler) hopped into Justin, corrupted him, then hoped out went on to someone else," I thought OK, maybe that works, but thinking about it I've got to question that idea too. It depends on Justin remaining in his own mind but being overwhelmed by Kemmler. Similar to a denarian taking over the coin bearer's decisions or nemesis taking over one of its victims. We don't have any indication a necromancer can do this. Corpse Taker could paralyze Harry and make him forget he was in danger, but she couldn't corrupt Harry or make him think in differently about right and wrong.
So where does this leave the idea of Kemmler jumping into Justin and then moving into someone else? Well, there is one candidate for him to have jumped into, Elaine. This might seem like a really nasty twist that would be emotionally devastating for Harry; "Yes, Harry Dresden, when you thought you were killing Justin du Morne you were really killing your first love," but it runs into the same problem of Elaine/Kemmler having more than a couple of decades to plan and pull off a dark hallow and not doing so, and Elaine/Kemmler playing private detective and helping minor magical talents survive the Fomor and other supernatural baddies. As Mr. Spock would say, "That is highly illogical." (And I mean real ST TOS Mr. Spock, not pathetic emo Star Trek Discovery Spock.)
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