The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
WAG - Harry has never met Justin DuMorne. His Justin was Heinrich Kemmler.
didymos:
--- Quote from: g33k on March 05, 2020, 10:42:09 PM ---(BTW -- I know Bob "locked away" as much of the Kemmlerian stuff as he could; but I don't know that he "destroyed" any of EvilBob, or was even capable of doing so: if he could destroy his knowledge, he could have been safe from Mab by getting rid of the Immortal-Killing info...)
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He says he destroyed some of it:
--- Quote ---“Kemmler was bad, Harry,” Bob said. “He…he took what I was. And he twisted it. I destroyed most of my memories of my time with him, and I locked away everything I couldn’t. Because I didn’t want to be like that.”
Butcher, Jim. Dead Beat: A Novel of The Dresden Files (p. 33). Penguin Group. Kindle Edition.
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As to getting out of trouble with Mab, how would she ever know he'd done it?
g33k:
--- Quote from: didymos on March 05, 2020, 11:05:14 PM --- He says he destroyed some of it:
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TYVM!!
I wonder what it was he (supposedly) destroyed? I mean... EvilBob got back a LOT of stuff!
Maybe Bob actually "forgot" (locked away) the fact that he couldn't actually destroy any of it...
--- Quote from: didymos on March 05, 2020, 11:05:14 PM --- ...
As to getting out of trouble with Mab, how would she ever know he'd done it?
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Some time when he gets a "pass" (or has a slightly-loose phrasing on a specific mission), he could send a message via dewdrop or other low-powered faerie.
Harry calls Bob "one of the most powerful spirits I have ever seen." There's got to be a LOT of ways for him to get a message to Mab's attention...
didymos:
--- Quote from: g33k on March 06, 2020, 12:02:01 AM ---TYVM!!
I wonder what it was he (supposedly) destroyed? I mean... EvilBob got back a LOT of stuff!
Maybe Bob actually "forgot" (locked away) the fact that he couldn't actually destroy any of it...
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My theory is that he could destroy the day-to-day stuff about being around Kemmler, but couldn't destroy the stuff directly related to magic.
--- Quote ---Some time when he gets a "pass" (or has a slightly-loose phrasing on a specific mission), he could send a message via dewdrop or other low-powered faerie.
Harry calls Bob "one of the most powerful spirits I have ever seen." There's got to be a LOT of ways for him to get a message to Mab's attention...
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Would she believe it? Can Bob lie?
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: g33k on March 05, 2020, 10:42:09 PM ---Yeah... Bob did that. Harry's Bob.
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Harry never met any version of Evil Bob until Dead Beat. The Evil Bob from Dead Beat seemed to have no knowledge of Kemmler's death or Justin's ownership of him. Admittedly, that whole scene raises a lot of questions, but I think Bob eliminated/locked away the Kemmler stuff on his own without anyone's influence. He definitely had done it without anyone ordering him to.
kbrizzle:
Well here’s how I see it - Bob can’t destroy anything he learnt from Kemmler that changed his views of how magic works, or really knowledge that Bob has used later - there are too many memories to destroy in these scenarios. However any knowledge gained from Kemmler that hasn’t been put to further use/ fundadementally change how Bob sees magic can safely be ‘deleted’.
@Kindler
I’ve been thinking a lot about Justin’s slide & will make a new thread about it soon.
One of the theories I’m seriously considering (especially in light of the new Morgan short story) is that Harry & Elaine were ‘marked by the Adversary at birth’. I think Justin found out that someone he was working with (likely Simon/ Cowl) was planning on Nfecting his Starborn foster-kids soon, so as a result he decides to enthrall them to keep them secretly loyal to him - IIRC he was creating fine thralls, not the brute force submission kind.
This would also explain why HWWB didn’t try to subdue or kill 16 yr old Harry - instead he was testing Harry to see if DuMorne did a good job in raising him (which the Walker wouldn’t need to do if it were regularly in contact with Justin). I suspect Simon sent HWWB after Harry.
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