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WAG - Harry has never met Justin DuMorne. His Justin was Heinrich Kemmler.

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Gigglestomp:
Jim has always said that Justin is DEAD. But that doesn't necessarily mean that Harry's Justin is dead. We have seen that necromancers such as corpse-taker can possess another body. Kemmler got killed "A couple of times" because he never stayed dead. Either he body snatched someone or he went through a resurrection ritual like in Ghost Story.

I suspect when Justin DuMorne wasn't actually a bad guy. He went with the council to kill Kemmler the last time - Kemmler body snatched him. That kimmler "Died" but was actually Justin. Justin is D-E-D-DEAD. Kimmler-Justin took bob home from the scene and laid low. Then he recruited a couple of starborn apprentices and kicked off our series.

Harry didnt kill Kemmler either - that would be laughable. Harry only thinks he killed Justin. Kemmler-Justin is the founder and leader of the Black Council and he set harry on a path.

He sent Elaine to the summer court to corrupt and infect the summer lady with Nemesis.

He went to Justin's old master Simon and convinced him to join up. They torpedo-d arch-angel using the reds and faked his death.

They manipulated things to pick the next Senior Council Member, and Simon became Cowl. Kummori is Elaine. She manipulated things so that The Leanansidhe took the corrupt blade and became infected by Nemesis who then infected Maeve. We know as well that Elaine has used outsiders at least once - mortal magic was used in Summer Knight at the Walmart to create the mind fog. Dresden said the Mind Fog was an outsider I believe. They kind of brushed the implications aside.

I haven't decided if Simon has truly drunk the cool-aid or not. He may be trying to take down the black Council from within. He may be corrupt. I believe out of the two I am more inclined to think he is corrupt and Black Council and not a mole inside the black council. Though if hes been working to destabilize them from within that could be an interesting twist.

Justin-Kimmler could have an intact body or he could be in a brand new body if he burned up Justin's in the fire. That adds a whole new level of paranoia for the secondary characters betraying Harry.

spiritofair:
Nice theory!

I don't know about the mind fog being Outsider-related, though. Butters makes mind fog bombs.

Why not just have Kemmler be Cowl? Would make even more sense to have Elaine be Kumori, since she would have been his thrall all along. Maybe he isn't as strong as he used to be because Justin's body is too weak. Kind of like how Luccio is not as strong in her new body.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Gigglestomp on January 03, 2020, 06:31:29 PM --- ... We know as well that Elaine has used outsiders at least once - mortal magic was used in Summer Knight at the Walmart to create the mind fog. Dresden said the Mind Fog was an outsider I believe. They kind of brushed the implications aside...
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+1 with spiritofair ...  I think you missed this element, but otherwise you have an intriguing WAG!

I agree that if we could definitively tie Elaine to Outsiders, it'd put her solidly into the "untrustworthy, probable enemy" category, but I don't think the mindfog shows it.

Bad Alias:
I think Bob presents a problem for this theory. Why wouldn't Bob know that Justin and Kemmler are the same person? On the other hand, it would explain why "Kemmler's Bob" made the comment "the master will not be pleased you have meddled with his servant." Bob also makes comments about finally being able to leave Harry behind, but doesn't say anything about Justin.

Another point is that Cowl's arms are scarred. Maybe by a house fire? Also Cowl says "I have nothing but disdain for the madman Kemmler." Was this misdirection or the truth?

Harry just said the mind fog was illegal and he wasn't sure a faerie queen could pull it off outside of the Nevernever.

morriswalters:
The reality is that as long as there are body switchers, anything is possible. But Bob would have known that Kemmler jumped to a new body, wouldn't he? 

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